[Tagging] Golf tag combinations

Chris Hill osm at raggedred.net
Thu Aug 2 10:05:41 UTC 2018

I think people use the ref tag because that makes sense. I'm not a 
golfer but on allotments the whole site usually has a name and the 
individual plots have a number (ref=*). The OSM Standard map can't show 
everything. We used to have a map like that as a sort of 'debug' map for 
mappers; it was useful but horrible to look at as everything was jammed 
in and not one to share more widely. Abusing the name tag is a common 
beginner's mistake, let's not encourage even more use of the name tag - 
rather make or find a render that shows what you want for a particular 

If RichardF's push towards vector maps bears fruit, displaying specific 
items for your own needs should become easier. If Richard succeeds, then 
an OBE should follow his recent award! Well done Richard.

Chris Hill (chillly)

On 01/08/2018 23:49, Paul Allen wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 11:03 PM, Graeme Fitzpatrick 
> <graemefitz1 at gmail.com <mailto:graemefitz1 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>     What's the green dot in the middle of the 13th fairway?
> With some detective work, it turns out to be a tree.
> What puzzles me about golf putting greens and allotment plots is this: 
> why did they choose to embed useful information
> in a ref (which doesn't get rendered in OSM carto) instead of a name 
> (which is rendered)?  Andy's style displays
> refs; look at the same course in OSM and you have no way of telling 
> which green is which.
> This is even more puzzling when I see that the guy who proposed the 
> allotment plot tag explicitly mentioned ref but,
> in the proposal page his example leads to the only plot in the 
> allotment which has a name (and none of the plots have
> refs).  Yes, data protection means allotment plots usually should not 
> have a person's name but this was something like
> the Fred Bloggs Memorial Allotment.  But why hide allotment numbers in 
> references rather than displaying them as a
> name where people can actually see the plot they're looking for.  
> "I've assigned you plot 12, here's a map of the
> allotment that doesn't display the plot numbers, so you'll have to 
> guess where yours is."
> What piece of OSM history that I know nothing of led people to decide 
> that it was sensible to encode useful
> information that people would wish to see on a map in a way that 
> doesn't get displayed?

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