[Tagging] Salumeria(it) / charcuterie(fr) / Wurstwaren (de) WAS Re: Can OSM become a geospacial database?

Johnparis okosm at johnfreed.com
Thu Dec 6 10:29:10 UTC 2018


To add to Dave's comment, what an American thinks of as a deli (or a New
Yorker anyway) is quite different from what the tag shop=deli is for,
according to the wiki. To its credit, the wiki makes that clear.

To a New Yorker, there are two kinds of deli. The first, like the Broadway
Deli or the Second Avenue Deli, is a sit-down place where you can order a
sandwich big enough to feed a family of four, with kosher pickles on the
side. The wiki says that's a restaurant.

The second is a place that sells cold cuts, salads, refrigerated soft
drinks, sandwiches, and probably candy. The wiki says that's a convenience
shop.

A deli, according to the wiki, is what an American thinks of as a gourmet
food shop. That's the classic (European) definition as well.

In hindsight, it might have been better to use shop=meat instead of
shop=butcher for a store that sells meat. But that was decided long ago.

John


On Thu, Dec 6, 2018 at 11:09 AM Dave Swarthout <daveswarthout at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I have no idea how to tag a shop selling *salumeri*  but I do know that
> shop=butcher and butcher=pork is totally wrong for a shop that sells cold
> cuts. Johnparis is quite right that a butcher is someone who slices and
> packages raw meat. In American English, the closest approximation for a
> shop selling assorted cold cuts is deli. It's very unlikely that a butcher
> would ever be involved in a deli operation.
>
> Dave
>
> On Thu, Dec 6, 2018 at 4:29 PM Johnparis <okosm at johnfreed.com> wrote:
>
>> Cold cut, in American English anyway, is any sliced meat that is packaged
>> and sold chilled. Often pork based (ham and sausages like bologna are
>> popular) but also other meats like turkey.
>>
>> shop=butcher + butcher=pork is what the wiki suggests.
>>
>> I personally think of a butcher as someone who slices and packages raw
>> meat, but the wiki is clear that shop=butcher is for any sort of meat shop.
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 6, 2018 at 9:46 AM Martin Koppenhoefer <
>> dieterdreist at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> sent from a phone
>>>
>>> On 5. Dec 2018, at 22:08, Sergio Manzi <smz at smz.it> wrote:
>>>
>>> P.S.: ... but if I want my *salumeria *to show up on the map, I *have
>>> to* "*lie for the rendering*" and tag it as a shop=deli: but'I'm not
>>> happy at all...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> no you don’t have to, it will rather be counterproductive, because if
>>> everybody does like this they will never reach the limit that the rendering
>>> team will consider rendering them.
>>>
>>> A dictionary lookup suggests “cold_cut”, are there any native speakers
>>> who know what a salumeria is and if that term could work/apply ?
>>>
>>> Cheers, Martin
>>>
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