[Tagging] How to tag sports halls?
johan.wiklund at entur.org
Wed Feb 7 09:23:35 UTC 2018
I would like to raise a few flags for sports_centres, pitches, and stadiums (in rare cases also arena). I’ve been cleaning up a lot of these in the past months so I’ll just namedrop some problems I’ve seen a lot of (in Norway).
Due to language barriers, lack of tagging knowledge and the varying design of these sports areas people will often tag them wrong. You also have to evaluate the specific meaning versus the layout and usage of a location and if there is no direct match you just have to pick the closest thing.
Stuff I found:
· Sports halls in schools with all kinds of tagging, problems aggravated if it also for example contains swimming facilities.
· I’ve seen a node by a lake tagged sports_centre + swimming because you can swim in the lake there.
· Individual events in a longer course mapped as sports_centre (https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/2329751424). There are about 20 of them heading north along trails.
· People often tag fitness_centres as sports_centre. Also the Yoga-centres as stated already. I guess the “dojo”-tagging also belongs here.
· Sometimes a single pitch is tagged as stadium – usually because they are sometimes named “Something Stadion” even though it’s just a simple soccer pitch.
· When there is a cluster of for example 3 pitches, some people tag the area as sports_centre - some as stadium.
· Weird combinations such as a building/company with gokart and bowling can be difficult to know how to tag.
· Team building locations that are kind of sporty, but not really a sport. How else to tag them?
· Alpine skiing facilities are often mapped as area with sports_centre and sometimes as single node. I see there is a landuse=winter_sports but it doesn’t even have 1000 usages.
· We also have an old Olympic village up in Lillehammer which offers some challenges: (https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/275004406#map=17/61.22061/10.41947)
I have no good suggestions for how to make the tagging schemes better. Just saying that this goes way beyond school sports halls and pitches. Some features simply fall between the tag-cracks or confuse people. It would be hard fitting all these sports into sports_centre: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sports (not to mention things like chess and eSports).
From: Warin [mailto:61sundowner at gmail.com]
Sent: onsdag 7. februar 2018 02.34
To: tagging at openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Tagging] How to tag sports halls?
On 07-Feb-18 11:51 AM, Paul Allen wrote:
On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 12:33 AM, Warin <61sundowner at gmail.com<mailto:61sundowner at gmail.com>> wrote:
I think of table tennis as a sport, so see no reason why the playing area for table tennis should not be tagged as a pitch in OSM.
In British English, "pitch" has a specific meaning with respect to sport. The equivalent in US and Canadian English
is "playing field" or "sports field." It is grass or artificial grass for running around, and being tackled to the ground.
Grass or artificial grass to prevent injuries when being tackled to the ground. Grass or artificial grass to prevent the
surface being churned to mud on rainy days.
It makes no sense whatsoever, in British English, to talk of a table tennis pitch any more than it would be to talk of a
table-tennis field. There's a reason it's called "table tennis" not "pitch tennis" or "field tennis." Pitches are large
enough for 22 men to run around on (smaller versions for kiddies) kicking or throwing or hitting a ball.
Dictionary time - pitch...
Oxford - An area of ground marked out or used for play in an outdoor team game.
No mention of surface or size. As there is 5 a side soccer ..
The present game of tennis is played on a much smaller are then traditional 11 a side soccer.
And it can be played on clay.
Archery ... according to the wiki uses pitch ... as does shooting ...
If table tennis is excluded then so should these. And possibly more.
How pedantic should OSM be? Just pointing out the inconsistencies.
Oxford - An activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others for entertainment.
Chess? Not certain if that can be classified as a 'sport' ... certainly a game of skill. Should there be another OSM key for games of skill?
Whatever you classify chess as, it's played on a board, not a pitch or a field. Maybe if you play with human pieces (a
novelty game) you might play it on marked grass but it would still be referred to as a board, not a pitch.
Chess has little physical exertion. So would not meet the strict definition of a 'sport'.
Looking through th eOSM list of sports ... Yoga? As a sport
I tried yoga once. It tasted like sour milk to me.
More Dictionary time - yoga ..
Oxford - A Hindu spiritual and ascetic discipline, a part of which, including breath control, simple meditation, and the adoption of specific bodily postures, is widely practised for health and relaxation.
I don't see any completion here. Yet OSM has it as a 'sport'.
Best fit.. round peg .. square hole.
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