[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - landuse=governmental

Mateusz Konieczny matkoniecz at tutanota.com
Sat Nov 24 14:51:54 UTC 2018


Nobody is going to dispute that Central Bank can be considered as a bank (see name).

But amenity=bank if for places that perform bank-like services for public - it excludes somebanks and includes some companies that technically are not banks.

24. Nov 2018 15:31 by allan at mustard.net <mailto:allan at mustard.net>:


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> Here, I just looked up        "bank" on 411.com (online directory assistance) for Kansas City,        Missouri:
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> https://www.411.com/business/MO/Kansas-city/bank <https://www.411.com/business/MO/Kansas-city/bank>>         
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> and guess what, Federal        Reserve Bank of Kansas City, the Kansas City branch of America's        central bank, is listed...
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> https://www.411.com/business/MO/Kansas%20City/federal-reserve-bank-of-kc/b-13fzpij <https://www.411.com/business/MO/Kansas%20City/federal-reserve-bank-of-kc/b-13fzpij>
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> Try it for Washington,        D.C., 
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> https://www.411.com/business?key=Bank&utf8=%E2%9C%93&where=Washington%2C+DC <https://www.411.com/business?key=Bank&utf8=%E2%9C%93&where=Washington%2C+DC>
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> and see how many        non-retail banks you get under the directory assistance rubric        of "bank" :-)  
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> apm-wa
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>     > On 11/24/2018 3:08 PM, Warin wrote:
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>>             >> Most people are non-experts in most        things. The map should be made for most people, so that most        people can use it. 
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>>         And most people would expect something mapped as a bank to be        available for their use. 
>>         Much like a cafe or a pub. They would not expect it to be only        for certain groups of institutions. 
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>>         The intent with amenity=bank is a financial institution offering        services to the public.
>>         Read >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dbank <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dbank>
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>>         That OSMwiki page suggest using office=financial for other        'banks' that do not accept the public.
>>         >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:office%3Dfinancial <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:office%3Dfinancial>
>>         Perhaps this OSMwiki office=financial definition could be        expanded to accept 'central banks'. 
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>>         On 24/11/18 18:24, Allan Mustard wrote:
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>>>                 Sounds to me like the OSM wiki article in question was written        by a non-expert in banking and finance and should be        corrected/expanded.        >>> Cheers, apm-wa
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>>>               On Nov 24, 2018, at 12:08 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar <>>> seav80 at gmail.com <mailto:seav80 at gmail.com>>>> >              wrote:
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>>>>               >>>>                 >>>>                   >>>>                     >>>>                       >>>> On Sat, Nov 24, 2018 at 12:45 AM                        Allan Mustard <>>>> allan at mustard.net <mailto:allan at mustard.net>>>>> >                        wrote:
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>>>>> Well,                              a central bank is a bank, after all,                              whether it is owned by the government or                              is a "private" parastatal organization.В                               I would tag it as amenity=bank since it is                              a bank.В  Not all banks offer consumer                              services, so the fact that an individual                              cannot open an account in a central bank                              doesn't disqualify it.В  Individuals                              cannot open accounts in the Bank for                              International Settlements, either, but it                              is a bank.В  A central bank is a                              specialized bank that serves the                              government (controls the monetary system)                              and the commercial banking sector.В                               That's why it is called a "central" bank.
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>>>>> >В                               It also wouldn't be tagged as a bank,                              because it doesn't have accounts & you                              can't go in & deposit / withdraw cash,                              or take out a loan.
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>>>>> Maybe                              you and I cannot, but the commercial banks                              in that country can.В  It's a bank.
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>>>>                       >>>>                       >>>> While central banks are certainly banks in                        and of themselves, I think tagging central banks                        as plain amenity=bank *without other qualifying                        tags* is a tricky one, and might constitute as                        expanding the definition of what amenity=bank is                        on the OSM wiki. The OSM wiki states that an                        amenity=bank feature is aВ  "financial                        establishment where customers can, among other                        services, deposit and withdraw money, take                        loans, make investments and transfer funds". I                        would think that the word "customer" in OSM is                        intended to refer to people and regular                        businesses, and this is why such establishments                        are under the amenity=* key. Unlike regular                        banks, central banks usually only have other                        banks and their government as their sole                        customers and in many countries, central banks                        act as a regulatory agency for banks and other                        financial institutions, set country-wide fiscal                        policies like interest rates, and print/mint                        their countries' currencies. It therefore makes                        sense to tag central banks somewhat differently                        from other banks.>>>>                       
>>>>                       >>>>                       >>>> I would also like to note that in my country,                        we do have a central bank, but we also have two                        100%-government owned commercial banks,                        established by law, that I would not hesitate to                        tag as amenity=bank because they offer financial                        services to the public at large.>>>>                       
>>>>                       >>>>                       >>>> As for the current proposal, in my country,                        we currently tag central bank land as                        landuse=commercial. It might make sense to                        switch this to landuse=governmental (or some                        other keyword as may be decided by OSM) if this                        proposal pushes through.>>>>                       
>>>>                       >>>>                       >>>> ~Eugene
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