[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - landuse=governmental
Mateusz Konieczny
matkoniecz at tutanota.com
Sat Nov 24 14:51:54 UTC 2018
Nobody is going to dispute that Central Bank can be considered as a bank (see name).
But amenity=bank if for places that perform bank-like services for public - it excludes somebanks and includes some companies that technically are not banks.
24. Nov 2018 15:31 by allan at mustard.net <mailto:allan at mustard.net>:
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> Here, I just looked up "bank" on 411.com (online directory assistance) for Kansas City, Missouri:
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> https://www.411.com/business/MO/Kansas-city/bank <https://www.411.com/business/MO/Kansas-city/bank>>
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> and guess what, Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City, the Kansas City branch of America's central bank, is listed...
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> https://www.411.com/business/MO/Kansas%20City/federal-reserve-bank-of-kc/b-13fzpij <https://www.411.com/business/MO/Kansas%20City/federal-reserve-bank-of-kc/b-13fzpij>
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> Try it for Washington, D.C.,
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> https://www.411.com/business?key=Bank&utf8=%E2%9C%93&where=Washington%2C+DC <https://www.411.com/business?key=Bank&utf8=%E2%9C%93&where=Washington%2C+DC>
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> and see how many non-retail banks you get under the directory assistance rubric of "bank" :-)
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> apm-wa
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> > On 11/24/2018 3:08 PM, Warin wrote:
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>> >> Most people are non-experts in most things. The map should be made for most people, so that most people can use it.
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>> And most people would expect something mapped as a bank to be available for their use.
>> Much like a cafe or a pub. They would not expect it to be only for certain groups of institutions.
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>> The intent with amenity=bank is a financial institution offering services to the public.
>> Read >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dbank <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dbank>
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>> That OSMwiki page suggest using office=financial for other 'banks' that do not accept the public.
>> >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:office%3Dfinancial <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:office%3Dfinancial>
>> Perhaps this OSMwiki office=financial definition could be expanded to accept 'central banks'.
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>> On 24/11/18 18:24, Allan Mustard wrote:
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>>> Sounds to me like the OSM wiki article in question was written by a non-expert in banking and finance and should be corrected/expanded. >>> Cheers, apm-wa
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>>> >>> Sent from my iPhone>>>
>>> On Nov 24, 2018, at 12:08 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar <>>> seav80 at gmail.com <mailto:seav80 at gmail.com>>>> > wrote:
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>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Nov 24, 2018 at 12:45 AM Allan Mustard <>>>> allan at mustard.net <mailto:allan at mustard.net>>>>> > wrote:
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>>>>> Well, a central bank is a bank, after all, whether it is owned by the government or is a "private" parastatal organization.В I would tag it as amenity=bank since it is a bank.В Not all banks offer consumer services, so the fact that an individual cannot open an account in a central bank doesn't disqualify it.В Individuals cannot open accounts in the Bank for International Settlements, either, but it is a bank.В A central bank is a specialized bank that serves the government (controls the monetary system) and the commercial banking sector.В That's why it is called a "central" bank.
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>>>>> >В It also wouldn't be tagged as a bank, because it doesn't have accounts & you can't go in & deposit / withdraw cash, or take out a loan.
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>>>>> Maybe you and I cannot, but the commercial banks in that country can.В It's a bank.
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>>>> >>>> >>>> While central banks are certainly banks in and of themselves, I think tagging central banks as plain amenity=bank *without other qualifying tags* is a tricky one, and might constitute as expanding the definition of what amenity=bank is on the OSM wiki. The OSM wiki states that an amenity=bank feature is aВ "financial establishment where customers can, among other services, deposit and withdraw money, take loans, make investments and transfer funds". I would think that the word "customer" in OSM is intended to refer to people and regular businesses, and this is why such establishments are under the amenity=* key. Unlike regular banks, central banks usually only have other banks and their government as their sole customers and in many countries, central banks act as a regulatory agency for banks and other financial institutions, set country-wide fiscal policies like interest rates, and print/mint their countries' currencies. It therefore makes sense to tag central banks somewhat differently from other banks.>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> I would also like to note that in my country, we do have a central bank, but we also have two 100%-government owned commercial banks, established by law, that I would not hesitate to tag as amenity=bank because they offer financial services to the public at large.>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> As for the current proposal, in my country, we currently tag central bank land as landuse=commercial. It might make sense to switch this to landuse=governmental (or some other keyword as may be decided by OSM) if this proposal pushes through.>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> ~Eugene
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