[Tagging] Roundtrip and closed loop in relations

[Warin]

On 20/12/19 10:15, Chris Hill wrote:
>
> I have been a native British English speaker for about sixty years. A 
> trip from A to B and then back to A, either on a fully reversed route 
> or an alternative route, would could be described as a round trip. 
> There is certainly no element of a curved or looping route required to 
> make it a round trip.
>

Nor is there anything in 'round trip' to exclude a curved circular 
route. Would be interesting to find the origin of 'round trip'.
>
> HTH
>
> Chris
>
> -- 
> cheers
> Chris Hill (chillly)
> On 19/12/2019 22:48, Phake Nick wrote:
>> Merriam Webster and some other resources you have quoted are 
>> dictionary for American English, not the variant of English used by 
>> OSM. Posts by original author of the topic on the wiki talk page have 
>> explained the meaning of the term in British English.
>>
>> 在 2019年12月20日週五 06:19，Francesco Ansanelli <francians at gmail.com 
>> <mailto:francians at gmail.com>> 寫道：
>>
>>
>>
>>     Il gio 19 dic 2019, 23:00 Warin <61sundowner at gmail.com
>>     <mailto:61sundowner at gmail.com>> ha scritto:
>>
>>         On 20/12/19 01:16, Francesco Ansanelli wrote:
>>         > Dear List,
>>         >
>>         > I have updated the roundtrip page and created the closed
>>         loop proposal
>>         > in order to address the misuse of the first tag:
>>         > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:roundtrip
>>         >
>>         https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tag:closed_loop=yes
>>         >
>>         > Please let me know what you think
>>         >
>>
>>         The word 'round' implies circular. So a 'roundtrip' could be
>>         a circular
>>
>>
>>     I'm not a mother tongue but:
>>
>>     https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/round%20trip
>>
>>
>>         Definition of /round trip/
>>
>>     : a trip to a place and back usually over the same route
>>

Oxford Dictionary (usually taken as a good source for UK English): a 
journey to a place and back again

Nothing about 'over the same route'.

>>     https://www.thefreedictionary.com/roundtrip
>>
>>
>>     A trip from one place to another and back, usually over the same
>>     route.
>>     https://www.yourdictionary.com/round-trip
>>
>>
>>         round trip
>>
>>     noun
>>
>>     A trip from one place to another and back, usually over the same
>>     route.
>>     Idk if it's clearer why I tried to match the definition.
>>
>>         route that does not go from A to B and back along the same
>>         route, it
>>         could go A to B to C and then back to A via D. As such your
>>         rewording is
>>         wrong and does not match present use.
>>
>>         Revert your change.
>>
>>
>>     How about a voting?
>>

You may have done that before your change.

As I understand it you want to distinguish between routes that use the 
same route to return to the same place compared to those routes that 
return to the same place by a different route or at least sections are 
different.
At present both of those are in OSMs 'roundtrip'. Would not this 
information be obtained by looking at the route as mapped in OSM? Is 
there a need to add this information?



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