[Tagging] food forests / forest gardening

Justin Tracey j3tracey at gmail.com
Thu Jul 30 16:07:18 UTC 2020


The problem with tagging it as an orchard isn't that it doesn't look
like an orchard in the British sense, it's that it intentionally does
not look like cultivated land at all. Banana and date plantations still
look very artificial, with very little ground cover or biodiversity,
while a typical forest garden will, without closer inspection, look
something akin to a nature reserve. If someone were walking around some
woods using the map, tried positioning themselves around it, and were
looking for an orchard or tree farm, that would be largely useless.

 - Justin

On 2020-07-30 10:38 a.m., Joseph Eisenberg wrote:
> A landuse=orchard is any area of perennial shrubs and trees which is
> used to produce food. In the tropics this tag is used for bananas tea
> and coffee, and oil date palms, all of which are not exactly
> “orchards” in the British sense. This was proposed in the original vote.
>
> So if Wikipedia is correct that  “ The three main products from a
> forest garden are fruit, nuts and green leafy vegetables
> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leaf_vegetable>.“ it is probably
> mainly landuse=orchard + landuse=farmland as a secondary use.
>
> I also see that these are called a “huerto familiar” in Mexico, which
> literally means “family orchard”.
>
> Perhaps landuse=orchard + orchard=forest_garden would work?
>
> Note that we previously discussed a similar issue with areas that are
> used as orchards + pasture in Spain, if I recall
>
> Since almost any 2 types of agricultural land can be combined, it
> might be better to think about a wholistic solution, since as a way to
> tag the secondary landuse or secondary vegetation of a certain area.
>
> - Joseph
>
> On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 7:22 AM Justin Tracey <j3tracey at gmail.com
> <mailto:j3tracey at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     On 2020-07-30 7:40 a.m., Paul Allen wrote:
>>     On Thu, 30 Jul 2020 at 12:34, joost schouppe
>>     <joost.schouppe at gmail.com <mailto:joost.schouppe at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>         Someone tried to map a "food forest" near me.
>>
>>
>>     The best I could come up with, given that it described itself as
>>     part orchard,
>>     was landuse=orchard.  If we ever come up with a more appropriate
>>     tag I'll
>>     change it.
>>
>>     -- 
>>     Paul
>
>     Forest gardens are definitely not orchards. For one, they're
>     designed to resemble (or be) natural ecologies as much as
>     possible, and therefore look very different; and two, most of the
>     food in them doesn't actually come from the trees (or rather,
>     doesn't come directly from the trees -- again, the point is to be
>     a healthy ecology), so they function and operate very differently.
>
>
>      - Justin
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