[Tagging] Clubhouse vs Community Centre

[Brian M. Sperlongano]

There is an important distinction that seems to be missed here, as to
whether we would tag a club as a whole (the grounds, and multiple features
and buildings within it), as separate from a clubhouse, i.e., a specific
building operated by the club as a headquarters and gathering place.  This
is particularly important in cases where the club is not simply contained
in a single building but rather is a small campus.  It does seem weird to
me to tag the grounds of a facility as a community center (because we think
of community centers as buildings) but the club_home sub-tag seems to work
for this purpose.

It seems to me that even if you come up with the perfect tagging for a
clubhouse, you should not take away the render-supported tagging currently
used for a club's grounds.  So either you need to solve club AND clubhouse
tagging simultaneously, or solve just one of them and leave the other alone.


On Sat, Apr 3, 2021 at 1:08 PM nathan case <nathancase at outlook.com> wrote:

> Agreed with everything Paul says.
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> Clearly not a community centre, hence my proposal. But sounds like you
> have done the best you can with the currently documented options.
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> As for building=clubhouse, yes it’s a tricky one. I’ve suggested
> deprecating it since, as Paul says, it’s a building use not a type.
> However, there might be an argument to make that, if the building was built
> as a clubhouse, for the sole purpose of being a clubhouse, then perhaps it
> should be building=clubhouse. Not sure though!
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> *From:* Paul Allen <pla16021 at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* 03 April 2021 17:15
> *To:* Tag discussion, strategy and related tools <
> tagging at openstreetmap.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [Tagging] Clubhouse vs Community Centre
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> On Sat, 3 Apr 2021 at 16:42, Brian M. Sperlongano <zelonewolf at gmail.com>
> wrote:
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> I tried to figure out how to tag a local club that I am familiar with.  It
> is a Portuguese-American heritage club, and the facility has a building, a
> soccer field, and a parking lot.  The building contains a restaurant and
> bar (the restaurant being open to the public only once a week on Friday
> evenings).  Upstairs in the building is a meeting room / banquet hall.
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> If it is mostly members-only, or members + guests, that makes it a club.
> We
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> don't (yet) have a good tag for clubs in general (but you have made me
> aware
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> that we do already have a good tag for social clubs).
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> For the overall facility (the grounds) I ended up going with
> amenity=community_centre + community_centre=club_home.  I would not call
> this facility a "community center" in local vernacular but the wiki
> definition seems to fit in with what this is.
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> I wouldn't call it a community centre in British vernacular, either.
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> For the building (club house?) I tagged it as building=clubhouse +
> amenity=social_club.  Though I am told by my British counterparts that it
> is TOTALLY WRONG to use amenity=social_club outside of the UK...
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> The wiki says these things are mainly found in the UK and parts of its
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> former empire.  That doesn't mean they don't exist elsewhere, just that
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> outside of those geographic bounds what you're mapping may not fit
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> the definition, so read the definition closely.  In the UK, many of these
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> have names like British Legion, Fubar Working Men's Club or
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> Fubb Miner's Welfare, which makes it easier to decide.
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> but reading the definition it seemed a reasonable fit based on my personal
> knowledge of the place.
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> Going by your description, it fits very well.
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>   There is no wiki page for building=clubhouse (though there are >600
> usages), but the combination felt like a cleaner description.
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> Cue the argument about function vs form.  I tend to go with form.  If it's
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> recognizable as an X, it's building=x, otherwise building=yes.  Others
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> say only building=yes is valid.
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> --
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> Paul
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