[Tagging] "Caution" on military pages

nathan case nathancase at outlook.com
Mon Jan 18 10:04:51 UTC 2021


This approach makes sense to me. For consistency, the suggested text could be added to an Ambox https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Template:Ambox (maybe caution type?) and set as a template which can then be added to military-related pages.

Cheers,

Nathan

From: Graeme Fitzpatrick <graemefitz1 at gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2021 4:48 AM
To: OSM Tag <tagging at openstreetmap.org>
Subject: [Tagging] "Caution" on military pages

Re-visiting this topic, which was the subject of much discussion during the recent Military bases proposal!

Currently, there are a number of different "Warnings" re mapping military facilities on some of the related pages eg
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dmilitary
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:military
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag%3Amilitary%3Dcheckpoint
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag%3Amilitary%3Ddanger_area#How_to_map
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag%3Amilitary%3Drange
but not on others.

As per the recent discussions:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/Military_bases#Remove_claim_that_not_respecting_mapping_ban_is_against_OSM_rules
some people thought that yes, a warning about mapping potentially sensitive features could be good, others were against it as it's not illegal.

I spoke to the Legal Group, who responded with:

"OSMF and LWG are not in a position to evaluate the laws of all countries in which there may be mappers or mapping activity.

As the Terms of Use say:

"You are responsible for your own actions: You are legally responsible for your edits and contributions, so for your own protection you
should exercise caution and avoid contributing any content that may result in criminal or civil liability under any applicable laws.
Although we may not agree with such actions, we warn editors and contributors that authorities may seek to apply other countries’ laws
to you, including local laws where you live or where you view or edit content. OSMF generally cannot offer any protection, guarantee,
immunity or indemnification."

This general caution applies to both mapping of military installations as well as mapping of other sensitive areas (or mapping/surveying in
general).

I see no reason to alter the text of this paragraph. Feel free to link to it or quote it in any wiki pages, but note that LWG does not
regularly review or monitor the contents of wiki pages for legal accuracy"

So, are we happy with replacing the main Caution notice on https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:military with something along the lines of:

Caution. Before mapping potentially sensitives sites such as these, please be aware of the OSMF Terms of Use
https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Terms_of_Use#I._Introduction

It could also include the text of that particular section?

Should this same notice then also be included, probably as a template, on all military pages?

Thanks

Graeme
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