[Tagging] cycleway:lane=advisory

Paul Johnson baloo at ursamundi.org
Mon Jan 18 17:00:22 UTC 2021


On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 10:52 AM Volker Schmidt <voschix at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
> it seems that people are adopting the  two-year old tag
> cycleway:lane=advisory <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:cycleway>
> tag for the new "soft" bike lanes in various countries in Europe.
> We have them too in Italy. (example 1
> <https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/uu8fFxtxTsXauu7kZjxxAg>, example 2
> <https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/7eknhQC31akzOMeO6z9YgD>)
> My problem is:
> There is no clear definition in the wiki, but from the wording I assume
> that their use is not mandatory, hence the tag value "advisory".
> However the new bike lanes in Italy are not advisory for cyclists, but
> they are mandatory for cyclists. They are "soft" only for motorised traffic
> as they can be used also by motorized traffic when the width of the main
> carriageway is not sufficient.
> They do have that  problem in common with the "Schutzstreifen" in Germany,
> which I believe is tagged in the same way.
> They are  "indirectly" mandatory to cyclists, as cyclists have to use by
> law the outermost right hand part of the street (that includes the new type
> of bike lane)
>
> So the value "advisory" is wrong.
>
> I also found a rejected proposal 2014 for soft_lane
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/cycleway%3Dsoft_lane>(1.3k
> in Taginfo) against cycleway
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:cycleway:lane>=soft_lane
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:cycleway:lane%3Dadvisory&action=edit&redlink=1>
> (1.2k in Taginfo).
> This is  similarly woolley as far as language is concerned, but it is at
> least not outright wrong.
> This still leaves us, at least in Italy with t problem of retrofitting
> all existing old-fashioned "hard" cycle lanes
> <https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/dQt63WuB-LejWOhOgqtJ6g> with something
> like cycleway:lane=hard I don't dare to count them.
>
> To make things worse in Italy, these "hard" cycle lanes are called "pista
> ciclabile"  in the highway code with the effect that there are some cycle
> lanes that are tagged as cycleways.
>

Maybe we're over thinking this and we should start moving towards focusing
more on access tagging for lanes.
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