[Tagging] Initial discussion - Military Cadets

Bert -Araali- Van Opstal bert.araali.afritastic at gmail.com
Sat Mar 13 10:36:01 UTC 2021

I would think twice putting these "institutions" under the military tag.

In many countries it is forbidden to map military bases and that is 
often enforced very strict, you get prosecuted and face a jail sentence 
if they find you making pictures or being an enthusiastic OSM'er 
checking your ground truth at or nearby those places. A very specific 
warning to our fellow contributors is surely at it's place in those 
tagging guidelines.

I do think however there are many examples of military owned 
institutions that provide services outside dedicated military bases or 
in military bases, as Graeme is referring to something similar ? But 
without the strict security or secrecy that surrounds most of them.  
What first pops up in my mind are military hospitals and these 
educational institutions.

What I would suggest, to avoid problems as described above, is to add 
specific attribution in amenity=school and amenity=hospital to designate 
them as owned and managed by the military, with all advantages that come 
with it as we have very well established tagging in those amenities to 
provide all kinds of details.

We have military=training_area (1 227 uses), but that's aimed at 
different kinds of facilities.

It's amazing to me that no one ever came up with amenity=school 
school=military or amenity=hospital hospital=military, as they are very 
common all over the world, or people just use the operator=* tag to see 
it as sufficient to refer to the military ?


Bert Araali

On 12/03/2021 10:17, stevea wrote:
> Yeah, Graeme, it looks like we crossed posts with each other across the Pacific or Equator or something.  Thanks for your clarification, it adds focus to what I said before.
> In the USA, we have both college / university programs for this ("ROTC" or Reserve Officer Training Corps), and secondary / high school programs (sometimes down to the middle school level) that feed into the military called JROTC (the J for Junior).
> Some countries will have this, some won't, but again, something broad enough for everybody that is well-designed initially can certainly be done (without wildly tacked-on ad hoc appendages to accommodate corner cases).  Accommodating corner cases is best done "up front" during the early design phase, is all I'm saying.  Where that's possible, it's good tagging design.
>> On Mar 11, 2021, at 10:58 PM, Graeme Fitzpatrick <graemefitz1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Oops! Missed a paragraph!
>> By Military Cadets, I mean the youth training groups, usually aimed at teenagers ~12-17, which are loosely linked to one of the branches of their Country's Armed Forces, but which are not considered as part of the military.
>> It doesn't refer to Officer Cadets, who are actually already enlisted in the armed forces, but are still going through basic Officer Training, before being posted to a unit.
>> Thanks
>> Graeme
>> On Fri, 12 Mar 2021 at 16:50, Graeme Fitzpatrick <graemefitz1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> While working on the proposal for {{Tag|military|bases}}, I also started wondering about how to map the training depots / buildings of the various Military Cadet units.
>> Have now put some thoughts together at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Fizzie41/Military_Cadets, & would like to start initial discussions on the idea, before getting an actual proposal underway.
>> All thoughts & suggestions welcome, either here or on the talk page
>> Thanks
>> Graeme
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