[talk-au] Are we allowed to use PTV datasets (CC 4.0)?

Reuben reuben_p at yahoo.com
Sun Sep 29 23:46:05 UTC 2019


Hi, just thought I would mention if you get the waiver that you could use https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/GO-Sync to manage in the conflation. I am one of the developers and plan on doing a lot of work on it over the summer. If you need help, send me an email.

Thanks
Reuben

On 14/9/19 10:01 pm, Aaron Fang Shenhao wrote:
> Thank you both for the helpful info!
>
> I'll get onto sending the waiver letter to PTV. Once it comes back I'll make sure to update the wiki and report back.
>
> I've summarised the number of stops and routes in the dataset for anyone who is interested.
>    Transport Medium   ??? No. stops   No. routes
>   ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
>    Metropolitan Train ??? 222         99
>    Metropolitan Tram  ??? 1673        73
>    Metropolitan Bus   ??? 18241       354
>    Regional Train     ??? 110         206
>    Regional Bus       ??? 6644        356
>    Regional Coach     ??? 859         658
>    Night Bus          ??? 452         22
>    TeleBus            ??? 100         8
>    Interstate         ??? 11          11
>    SkyBus             ??? 5           2
>
> For completeness, here's the summary from OSM using the tags railway=station, railway=tram_stop and highway=bus_stop inside the area ISO3166-2=AU-VIC.
>
>    Transport Medium ??? No. stops   No. routes
>   ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
>    Train            ??? 442         38
>    Tram             ??? 1570        91
>    Bus              ??? 4793        716
>
> On Sat, Sep 14, 2019 at 6:15 PM Andrew Harvey <andrew.harvey4 at gmail.com <mailto:andrew.harvey4 at gmail.com>> wrote:
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>     On Fri, 13 Sep 2019 at 23:29, Aaron Fang Shenhao <aaronshenhao2001 at gmail.com <mailto:aaronshenhao2001 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>         Hi everyone,
>
>         This is my first time using the mailing list.
>
>
>     Welcome!
>
>         I???ve noticed that PTV???s (Public Transport Victoria) datasets (https://www.ptv.vic.gov.au/footer/data-and-reporting/datasets/) all fall under Creative Commons International 4.0, which requires explicit permission to be used according to OSM???s blog. I???ve looked at the wiki and can???t find any of these specific datasets in the list approved for use.
>
>
>     Graeme pointed to the catalogue on the wiki of waiver status. I missed PTV when doing the initial round, so feel free to add this to the wiki https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_data_catalogue.
>
>         Has anyone asked for permission to use these datasets before? I downloaded the GTFS dataset for a programming project, and it seems amazing: we could add all the stops and connect all the routes for all modes of transport in VIC just from this dataset?
>
>
>     I haven't approached PTV about this, and since it's not listed on the wiki, I'd say go ahead and put together the waiver letter and send it off. The metadata records have a contact email you can use. If you do send off a waiver request please update the status and date you sent it to the wiki https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_data_catalogue, this really helps the rest of the community see what's going on.
>
>     There'd still be a fair bit of manual work involved in an import to avoid duplicates and to integrate with what's already in OSM, but with a solid plan and engaging with this mailing list and local mappers with the plan and execution, an import could be a good thing to do.
>
>     On Sat, 14 Sep 2019 at 12:33, Graeme Fitzpatrick <graemefitz1 at gmail.com <mailto:graemefitz1 at gmail.com>> wrote:
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>         I see there is reference??to https://www2.delwp.vic.gov.au/maps/spatial-data/victorian-spatial-data#Vicmap_Transport-11??being OK but that doesn't appear to be the same thing?
>
>
>     Unfortunately not, VicMap Transport only has airports, roads and railway lines. The PTV data has bus stops and a few other datasets.
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