[talk-au] Distinction between roadside rest and stopping area..

[Andrew Hughes]

Hi All,

In addition to your comment about trucks Warin. There are many rest areas
that are for trucks only. I believe there are tags for this so I assume
you're not tagging them for the trucking industry just light vehicle rest
areas?

Cheers,
A Hughes.

FWIW: Truck rest areas are quite a contentious issue because truck drivers
have legal limits on drive time to manage fatigue and the rest area stops
are baked into their journey before they set off. They're understandably
none too happy when they get to a rest area that should be dedicated to
them for some shut eye only to find it full of caravans or to have caravans
making noise (esp. Generators) which doesn't allow them to get the sleep
they need. Consequently, its would be good to have a distinction in the
data or intentially avoid adding the truck rest areas if all you wanted was
light  vehicles. :)

On Tue, 12 Jan. 2021, 7:36 am Warin, <61sundowner at gmail.com> wrote:

> Parks tend to be operated by local councils.
> NSW Rest Areas and probably other states/teritories tend to be operated by
> the main roads people (RMS NSW).
>
> NSW Rest Areas are shown as such on the DCS Base Map, you do have to zoom
> in.
>
> Note that at least some NSW Rest Areas do not allow long stays e.g. more
> than 4 hours - specifically camping. See
> https://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/documents/roads/using-roads/rest-area-parking-restrictions-trial-faq.pdf
> This comes from several sources - local commercial campsites loosing
> business, littering, bad behavior. An excuse is that the driver found
> themselves so fatigued they had to stop and rest .. and slept, should
> 'work' for an overnight.
>
>
>
> On 11/1/21 9:49 pm, Little Maps wrote:
>
> Hi Bob, I haven’t mapped these but roadside rest areas in the NSW Riverina
> (and presumably elsewhere) have been mapped in many different ways, so I’m
> curious to hear people’s feedback. For example,
>
> Some in regional towns have been mapped as leisure=park, name = XXX Rest
> Area, with toilets etc mapped separately, e.g.
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/294143613#map=18/-36.04168/146.95065
>
> Sometimes the park has been mapped as an area using leisure=park, and a
> point has been added with tourism=camp_site, name = XXX Rest Area, as here:
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1811186234#map=19/-35.65033/145.57339
>
> Sometimes tourism=camp_site, name = XXX Rest Area, has been added as a
> point beside a service road,
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/316588165#map=17/-35.06066/147.05516
>
> And sometimes both highway=rest_area and tourism=camp_site have both been
> added at the same place, as here:
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/2420391844
>
> So, in practice, tourism=camp_site seems to be used to identify areas
> where camping is allowed.
>
> Many rest areas that allow camping in this region are right beside the
> highway, not far from it, and I haven’t seen any distinction between ‘stop
> over places’ and ‘rest areas’ as such.  Cheers Ian
>
>
> On 11 Jan 2021, at 2:48 pm, Bob Cameron <bob3bob3 at skymesh.com.au>
> <bob3bob3 at skymesh.com.au> wrote:
>
> Rest areas are generally where one stops for a while, possibly
> overnight. Often has bins and is some distance off the road it services.
>
> Stopping areas are for a brief check of the vehicle, make phone call etc
> and are usually just 1-2 lane widths of paved surface just off the road.
>
> Are these both rest areas? I'd like some guidance on how to distinguish
> between them if important.
>
> Tnx
>
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