[talk-au] Suspicious amount of removed bicycle tags
osm.talk-au at thorsten.engler.id.au
osm.talk-au at thorsten.engler.id.au
Sun Sep 19 13:06:14 UTC 2021
Well, that pretty much matches what I said before:
Anything that remotely looks like a footpath (is meant for people to walk on) is, in the absence of one of the 4 (3 + one mirrored) official signs I linked, a footpath.
It is not in any way limited to things that would be tagged as “sidewalk” in OSM.
e.g. take this example from my local neighbourhood: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/558999688670609448/889134418067881994/unknown.png
In the absence of any signs saying otherwise (spoiler, there aren’t in this case) all of these are “footpaths” as defined by law.
From: Kevin Pye <kevin.pye at gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, 19 September 2021 22:09
To: forster at ozonline.com.au
Cc: osm.talk-au at thorsten.engler.id.au; OpenStreetMap <talk-au at openstreetmap.org>
Subject: Re: [talk-au] Suspicious amount of removed bicycle tags
Hi all
http://classic.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/vic/consol_reg/rsrr2017208/s250.html
ROAD SAFETY ROAD RULES 2017 - REG 250
says "Footpath is defined in the dictionary" but it doesn't say which
dictionary.
"The dictionary" is the dictionary in schedule 5 pf the Road Safety Road Rules -- http://classic.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/vic/consol_reg/rsrr2017208/sch5.html
The definition there is fairly broad: ""footpath", except in rule 13(1) <http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/vic/consol_reg/rsrr2017208/s13.html> , means an area <http://classic.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/vic/consol_reg/rsrr2017208/s350.html#area> open to the public that is designated for, or has as one of its main uses, use by pedestrians"
Not particularly helpful.
On Sun, 19 Sept 2021 at 21:44, <forster at ozonline.com.au <mailto:forster at ozonline.com.au> > wrote:
> In regards to your changeset comment: "I doubt that means that all
> paths are footpaths unless otherwise signed."
> Generally speaking, yes, they are. In the absence of one of these signs
Hi all
http://classic.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/vic/consol_reg/rsrr2017208/s250.html
ROAD SAFETY ROAD RULES 2017 - REG 250
says "Footpath is defined in the dictionary" but it doesn't say which
dictionary.
Apparently the word "footpath" is used differently in different
countries. In Australia it means a US "sidewalk".
"A sidewalk (North American English), pavement (British English),
footpath (Oceanian English), or footway, is a path along the side of a
road."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidewalk
This is what my understanding of the footpath rule is in Victoria
Australia, don't ride on the path that runs between the property line
and the kerb.
That's not we are talking about here
ways 157071087 and 304507133 intersection
https://www.mapillary.com/app/?lat=-37.923613888889015 <https://www.mapillary.com/app/?lat=-37.923613888889015&lng=145.32910000000004&z=17&pKey=941113219764485&focus=photo> &lng=145.32910000000004&z=17&pKey=941113219764485&focus=photo
So I disagree with the suggestion that all paths are, for legal
purposes, footpaths unless otherwise signed.
Tony
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