[talk-au] Suspicious amount of removed bicycle tags

osm.talk-au at thorsten.engler.id.au osm.talk-au at thorsten.engler.id.au
Sun Sep 19 13:06:14 UTC 2021


Well, that pretty much matches what I said before:

 

Anything that remotely looks like a footpath (is meant for people to walk on) is, in the absence of one of the 4 (3 + one mirrored) official signs I linked, a footpath.

 

It is not in any way limited to things that would be tagged as “sidewalk” in OSM.

 

e.g. take this example from my local neighbourhood: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/558999688670609448/889134418067881994/unknown.png

 

In the absence of any signs saying otherwise (spoiler, there aren’t in this case) all of these are “footpaths” as defined by law.

 

From: Kevin Pye <kevin.pye at gmail.com> 
Sent: Sunday, 19 September 2021 22:09
To: forster at ozonline.com.au
Cc: osm.talk-au at thorsten.engler.id.au; OpenStreetMap <talk-au at openstreetmap.org>
Subject: Re: [talk-au] Suspicious amount of removed bicycle tags

 

Hi all
http://classic.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/vic/consol_reg/rsrr2017208/s250.html
ROAD SAFETY ROAD RULES 2017 - REG 250
says "Footpath is defined in the dictionary" but it doesn't say which  
dictionary.

 

"The dictionary" is the dictionary in schedule 5 pf the Road Safety Road Rules -- http://classic.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/vic/consol_reg/rsrr2017208/sch5.html

 

The definition there is fairly broad: ""footpath", except in rule 13(1) <http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/vic/consol_reg/rsrr2017208/s13.html> , means an area <http://classic.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/vic/consol_reg/rsrr2017208/s350.html#area>  open to the public that is designated for, or has as one of its main uses, use by pedestrians"

 

Not particularly helpful.

 

On Sun, 19 Sept 2021 at 21:44, <forster at ozonline.com.au <mailto:forster at ozonline.com.au> > wrote:

> In regards to your changeset comment: "I doubt that means that all   
> paths are footpaths unless otherwise signed."
> Generally speaking, yes, they are. In the absence of one of these signs

Hi all
http://classic.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/vic/consol_reg/rsrr2017208/s250.html
ROAD SAFETY ROAD RULES 2017 - REG 250
says "Footpath is defined in the dictionary" but it doesn't say which  
dictionary.

Apparently the word "footpath" is used differently in different  
countries. In Australia it means a US "sidewalk".
"A sidewalk (North American English), pavement (British English),  
footpath (Oceanian English), or footway, is a path along the side of a  
road."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidewalk

This is what my understanding of the footpath rule is in Victoria  
Australia, don't ride on the path that runs between the property line  
and the kerb.

That's not we are talking about here
ways 157071087 and 304507133 intersection
https://www.mapillary.com/app/?lat=-37.923613888889015 <https://www.mapillary.com/app/?lat=-37.923613888889015&lng=145.32910000000004&z=17&pKey=941113219764485&focus=photo> &lng=145.32910000000004&z=17&pKey=941113219764485&focus=photo

So I disagree with the suggestion that all paths are, for legal  
purposes, footpaths unless otherwise signed.

Tony



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