[OSM-talk-be] How to tag schools? An attempt to create a (belgian) tagging scheme

[Brice Maron]

Thanks for trying to sort this out :)
maybe once it's somewhat settled, we need to referenced that in the few
pages speaking about school :)

- ok for the school:* 👌
- ok for the numbers although they are still, relatively low compared to
kindergarten. Just the fact that it's not continuous with the rest of the
curriculum, and that would make me prefer the school=elementary.
also it seems to me that it's somewhat ambiguous; and thus... how do you
determine if the mapper choose as described in this page vs described in
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:school for example?
and the EN wiki state :  "for children up to the age of formal (often
mandatory) school education",  I would argue that the first two year of the
elementary school are somewhat formal and the 3rd IS mandatory, so it would
not qualify for this...

Regards,




On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 at 17:52, Pieter Vander Vennet <pietervdvn at posteo.net>
wrote:

> Hello Brice,
>
> Yes, schools have been a mess within OSM. I've been doing my best to clean
> this up as much as possible in the past weeks.
>
> - According to tag-info, there are very little 'school:be' and
> 'school:fr'-entries, we can safely ignore them.
> - Childcare has become an established tag with 40k entries worldwide. A
> kindergarten has as defining feature that it offers early education too
>
> Kind regards,
> Pieter
> On 21.06.22 23:41, Brice Maron wrote:
>
> Just chiming in....
> I stumble upon this , and honestly i also find the situation is a bit of a
> mess ATM between isced, school=, amenity=... school:BE, school:FR (yes
> there are a few in belgium), ...
>
> One thing i noticed is that you've noted
> amenity=kindergarten as kleuterschool/Maternelle .. my understanding is
> that it was more like creche
> and childcare was kinda controversially rejected
>
> how do we stand with that?
>
> Anyway, thanks for the discussion
>
>
>
>
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> On Thu, 16 Jun 2022 at 21:35, Pieter Vander Vennet <pietervdvn at posteo.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> In the meantime, I did make an update to the tagging of how we can map
>> schools but also tertiary education institutions.
>>
>> Furthermore, I also retagged all private playgrounds within school
>> boundaries to 'schoolyard', as this is more appropriate.
>> I'd love if you had a look in your area and would check that
>> *leisure=playground* within a school area is effectively a (public)
>> playground and not schoolyard (speelplaats in Flemish).
>> With this overpass-query
>> <http://overpass-turbo.eu/?Q=%5Bout%3Axml%5D%5Btimeout%3A180%5D%3B%0Anwr%5B%22amenity%22%3D%22school%22%5D(%7B%7Bbbox%7D%7D)%3B%0Anode(w)%3B%0Ais_in%3B%0Aarea._%5B%22amenity%22%3D%22school%22%5D%3B%0A(nwr(area)%5B%22leisure%22%3D%22playground%22%5D%3B%20node(w)%3B)%3B%0A%0Aout%20meta%3B%0A%3E%3B%0Aout%20meta%20qt%3B&C=51.04431;3.76608;12>,
>> you can easily find them.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> Pieter
>> On 14.06.22 18:13, Pieter Vander Vennet wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> For my work, I'm attempting to get usable school data out of OSM.
>> Surprisingly, tagging for schools is pretty hard to do as there is no
>> decent tagging scheme for them.
>>
>> As school systems wildly vary across the world, it is at this point
>> near-impossible to come up with a global tagging scheme.
>> Instead, I'm setting up a tagging scheme for Belgium alone.
>>
>> With this mailing, I'd like to open the discussion in Belgium on how
>> these can be tagged.
>>
>> Please, have a look at the relevant wiki page
>> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Belgium/Conventions/Schools>
>> and join the discussion either there or on this mailing list.
>>
>> Furthermore, I'm also interested in how well such a theme would work in
>> other countries. Maybe a small tweak can make this applicable e.g. in
>> France, the Netherlands or Germany too.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> Pieter
>>
>>
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