[Talk-br] Digest Talk-br, volume 102, assunto 24
gorila em openmailbox.org
gorila em openmailbox.org
Sexta Março 17 22:29:24 UTC 2017
Por aqui, fica melhor registrado.
Também seria importante redirecionar as eventuais objeções para a lista
email. E, eu acho que o autor deveria fundamentá-las em português, para
a comunidade local avaliar e decidir se procedem.
Em 17-03-2017 19:17, Sérgio V. escreveu:
>
> Obrigado Tomio. De fato o Telegram não fica amplamente acessível.
>
> Colocando por aqui como canal oficial do OSM é mais certo mesmo.
>
>
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>
> Sérgio - http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/smaprs
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *De:* Helio Cesar Tomio <hctomio em gmail.com>
> *Enviado:* sexta-feira, 17 de março de 2017 17:30
> *Para:* OpenStreetMap no Brasil
> *Assunto:* Re: [Talk-br] Digest Talk-br, volume 102, assunto 24
> Texto muito bom Sérgio.
> Toda a história a limpo, desmentindo aquela alegação que não houve
> discussão anteriormente.
>
> Em 17/03/2017 13:50, "Luis Bahiana" <luis.bahiana em gmail.com
> <mailto:luis.bahiana em gmail.com>> escreveu:
>
> Se precisarem de ajuda para tradução ou versão coloco-me a disposição
>
> 2017-03-14 13:23 GMT-03:00 <talk-br-request em openstreetmap.org
> <mailto:talk-br-request em openstreetmap.org>>:
>
> Enviar submissões para a lista de discussão Talk-br para
> talk-br em openstreetmap.org <mailto:talk-br em openstreetmap.org>
>
> Para se cadastrar ou descadastrar via WWW, visite o endereço
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
> <https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br>
> ou, via email, envie uma mensagem com a palavra 'help' no
> assunto ou
> corpo da mensagem para
> talk-br-request em openstreetmap.org
> <mailto:talk-br-request em openstreetmap.org>
>
> Você poderá entrar em contato com a pessoa que gerencia a
> lista pelo
> endereço
> talk-br-owner em openstreetmap.org
> <mailto:talk-br-owner em openstreetmap.org>
>
> Quando responder, por favor edite sua linha Assunto assim ela será
> mais específica que "Re: Contents of Talk-br digest..."
>
>
> Tópicos de Hoje:
>
> 1. Proposal of import: Brazilian Geodetic Network
> (man_made=survey_points) (Sérgio V.)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2017 16:22:41 +0000
> From: Sérgio V. <svolk2 em hotmail.com <mailto:svolk2 em hotmail.com>>
> To: "talk-br em openstreetmap.org
> <mailto:talk-br em openstreetmap.org>" <talk-br em openstreetmap.org
> <mailto:talk-br em openstreetmap.org>>
> Subject: [Talk-br] Proposal of import: Brazilian Geodetic Network
> (man_made=survey_points)
> Message-ID:
>
> <RO1P152MB0810A9F1942BD6C60818E9FD90240 em RO1P152MB0810.LAMP152.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM
> <mailto:RO1P152MB0810A9F1942BD6C60818E9FD90240 em RO1P152MB0810.LAMP152.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>>
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Bom dia pessoal, estou preparando a proposta abaixo para o
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/imports/
> <https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/imports/>.
>
> Por favor sintam-se livres para examinar.
>
> Antecipadamente obrigado.
>
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>
> Hello.
> I'm member of brazilian OSM users community.
> I present here for discussion, and asking approval for, the
> proposal for the import of brazilian geodetic network of
> survey points (SGB - Sistema Geodésico Brasileiro).
> Firstly, sorry if not good english. Also sorry for the
> technical problems that arose due to the size of elements in
> previously ill imported relation.
>
> This proposal was previously formally informed in brazilian
> talk list in
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-br/2017-March/012063.html
> <https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-br/2017-March/012063.html>
> .
> (Also this post here will be copied to brazilian talk list.)
>
> The discussions in Brazilian community: actually started in
> 6th march in Telegram channel of the brazilian community,
> where it has been carried on, and where we generally use to
> talk most (159 members, around some 80 users connecting daily
> and some 20 activelly communicating). Many members made
> remarks and suggestions about it and, after all arrangements,
> general aprovals for procedures and utility purpose.
>
> The purpose of this proposal: is to import the survey points
> published by the brazilian government agency for geographical
> data (called IBGE -
> (http://www.ibge.gov.br/home/geociencias/geodesia/default_sgb_int.shtm
> <http://www.ibge.gov.br/home/geociencias/geodesia/default_sgb_int.shtm>).
>
> The source data: is all produced and published by IBGE.
> The government also publishes these data through the more
> general portal for brazilian spatial data (INDE:
> http://www.visualizador.inde.gov.br
> <http://www.visualizador.inde.gov.br><http://www.visualizador.inde.gov.br/
> <http://www.visualizador.inde.gov.br/>> - Menu: Redes
> Geodesicas), from where it was dowloaded.
>
> About the licenses for the data: as said in previous exchange
> of messages of other brazilian OSM member with IBGE officials
> [1], and as stated by the brazilian national law for access to
> information (known as "LAI"), all the government data,
> including IBGE, is free for access, not even requiring to say
> what for it is intended [2] (the exceptions quoted in the law
> must not even be published by the government). IBGE officials
> explicitly stated, as in previous quoted messages, it's free
> for OSM purposes, for copy, sharing and changes, since quoting
> the source, and not requiring further back communication.
>
> The aim of the import: is to have all these points with their
> precise coordinates provided by the government, placed in OSM
> brazilian map to help on aligning imagery, fixing borders,
> found places in remote regions, etc.
>
> It can be objected: found no survey point in imagery on the
> ground.
> That's true. Many things pedestrians have mapped can't be seen
> on sattelite imagery now, like door numbers, shop names,
> highway signals, and many other small things, perhaps also
> fire_hidrants, etc. It usually resides all on local mapper's word.
> Also imagery resolution is improving constantly, so perhaps
> not too later we all can see many more things on sattelite
> imagery.
> Anyway, the government, through its data itself and its
> official reports of survey points, states they are there on
> the ground.
>
> As a single example: there's a survey point (a small plate)
> over a boundary_stone in the Brazil-Venezuela-Guyana triple
> border, reported in [3]. It seems not visible in imagery, nor
> the boundary_stone. At least I still haven't found it (but I'm
> looking for). But just seeing this officialy reported point in
> JOSM (5.2018977222 <tel:2018977222><tel:(201)%20897-7222>,
> -60.7375541111)[4] indicates this triple border in OSM is
> currently more than 1km far from that official measurement,
> thus deserving some revision.
>
> Other general informations:
> -All the objects proposed to import came previously converted
> by IBGE in WGS84 format in the original downloaded shape file.
> -There will be no relation (in OSM peculiar concept for
> relation) to be stablished between these individual points.
> -Only are meant to be imported the portion of the stations
> classified as in good conditions, leaving aside the ones
> destructed or not found as quoted in the official reports. So
> the final total number of points to be imported is smaller
> than in the original shp.
>
> The proposed tags are these (english translation or meaning
> below in parenthesis):
>
> description=Rede Geodésica do IBGE - Estação SAT DOPPLER
> (=IBGE Geodetic Network - <6 types of station, for: SAT
> DOPPLER; SAT GPS; Polygonal; Triangulation; Elevation
> Reference; Permanent GNSS>); by these 6 types of description=
> station...*... the data is aimed to be also accessible for
> recalling and maintence.
> ele=* (when geometric height available)
> man_made=survey_point
> note:en=Please: do not displace the point (official coordinates)
> note=Não deslocar o ponto (coordenadas originais do IBGE)
> (almost the same as note:en, with local exortation tone)
> ref:loc=São Félix do Xingu
> (the locality where the point is, perhaps even not mapped
> itself)
> ref=90970
> (the particular and unique name or number of the station)
> source=IBGE/INDE/BDG_DOPPoint.SHP
> (the original shape file)
> sourceːele = IBGE/MAPGEO2015
> (for Elevation Reference: MAPGEO2015 is the geoid model in
> Brazil)
> url=*
> (to access the complete official report, sometimes it has
> photos and other info that help a bit more to identify)
>
> The proposal is documented at:
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Importa%C3%A7%C3%A3o_das_Redes_Geod%C3%A9sicas_do_IBGE
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Importa%C3%A7%C3%A3o_das_Redes_Geod%C3%A9sicas_do_IBGE>
>
> Thank you in advance for your evaluation.
> - - - - - - - -
> [1]
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/imports/2013-July/001981.html
> <https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/imports/2013-July/001981.html>
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/imports/2013-July/002031.html
> <https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/imports/2013-July/002031.html>
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/imports/2013-July/002032.html
> <https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/imports/2013-July/002032.html>
> [2]
> http://www.acessoainformacao.gov.br/assuntos/conheca-seu-direito
> <http://www.acessoainformacao.gov.br/assuntos/conheca-seu-direito>
> [3] "Localização: Na parte mais alta do Monte Roraima, em
> território brasileiro...", says, "Location: In the upper part
> of Mount Roraima, in brazilian territory..."
> (http://www.bdg.ibge.gov.br/bdg/pdf/relatorio.asp?L1=90128
> <http://www.bdg.ibge.gov.br/bdg/pdf/relatorio.asp?L1=90128>)
> [4] 05 ° 12 ' 06,8318 " N 60 ° 44 ' 15,1948 "W
> - - - - - - - -
>
>
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>
> Sérgio - http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/smaprs
> <http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/smaprs>
> -------------- Próxima Parte ----------
> Um anexo em HTML foi limpo...
> URL:
> <http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-br/attachments/20170314/b00f83af/attachment.html
> <http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-br/attachments/20170314/b00f83af/attachment.html>>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Subject: Legenda do Digest
>
> _______________________________________________
> Talk-br mailing list
> Talk-br em openstreetmap.org <mailto:Talk-br em openstreetmap.org>
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
> <https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Fim da Digest Talk-br, volume 102, assunto 24
> *********************************************
>
>
>
>
> --
> //
> Luis Cavalcanti da Cunha Bahiana
>
> Geógrafo : Coordenação de Geografia - IBGE
>
> _______________________________________________
> Talk-br mailing list
> Talk-br em openstreetmap.org <mailto:Talk-br em openstreetmap.org>
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
> <https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Talk-br mailing list
> Talk-br em openstreetmap.org
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
-------------- Próxima Parte ----------
Um anexo em HTML foi limpo...
URL: <http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-br/attachments/20170317/8d1d8af6/attachment-0001.html>
Mais detalhes sobre a lista de discussão Talk-br