[Talk-br] Digest Talk-br, volume 102, assunto 24

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Em 17-03-2017 19:17, Sérgio V. escreveu:
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> Obrigado Tomio. De fato o Telegram não fica amplamente acessível.
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> Colocando por aqui como canal oficial do OSM é mais certo mesmo.
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> Sérgio - http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/smaprs
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> *De:* Helio Cesar Tomio <hctomio em gmail.com>
> *Enviado:* sexta-feira, 17 de março de 2017 17:30
> *Para:* OpenStreetMap no Brasil
> *Assunto:* Re: [Talk-br] Digest Talk-br, volume 102, assunto 24
> Texto muito bom Sérgio.
> Toda a história a limpo, desmentindo aquela alegação que não houve 
> discussão anteriormente.
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> Em 17/03/2017 13:50, "Luis Bahiana" <luis.bahiana em gmail.com 
> <mailto:luis.bahiana em gmail.com>> escreveu:
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>            1. Proposal of import: Brazilian Geodetic Network
>               (man_made=survey_points) (Sérgio V.)
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>         Message: 1
>         Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2017 16:22:41 +0000
>         From: Sérgio V. <svolk2 em hotmail.com <mailto:svolk2 em hotmail.com>>
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>         Subject: [Talk-br] Proposal of import: Brazilian Geodetic Network
>                 (man_made=survey_points)
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>         Bom dia pessoal, estou preparando a proposta abaixo para o
>         https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/imports/
>         <https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/imports/>.
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>         Por favor sintam-se livres para examinar.
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>         Antecipadamente obrigado.
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>         Hello.
>         I'm member of brazilian OSM users community.
>         I present here for discussion, and asking approval for, the
>         proposal for the import of brazilian geodetic network of
>         survey points (SGB - Sistema Geodésico Brasileiro).
>         Firstly, sorry if not good english. Also sorry for the
>         technical problems that arose due to the size of elements in
>         previously ill imported relation.
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>         This proposal was previously formally informed in brazilian
>         talk list in
>         https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-br/2017-March/012063.html
>         <https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-br/2017-March/012063.html>
>         .
>         (Also this post here will be copied to brazilian talk list.)
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>         The discussions in Brazilian community: actually started in
>         6th march in Telegram channel of the brazilian community,
>         where it has been carried on, and where we generally use to
>         talk most (159 members, around some 80 users connecting daily
>         and some 20 activelly communicating). Many members made
>         remarks and suggestions about it and, after all arrangements,
>         general aprovals for procedures and utility purpose.
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>         The purpose of this proposal: is to import the survey points
>         published by the brazilian government agency for geographical
>         data (called IBGE -
>         (http://www.ibge.gov.br/home/geociencias/geodesia/default_sgb_int.shtm
>         <http://www.ibge.gov.br/home/geociencias/geodesia/default_sgb_int.shtm>).
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>         The source data: is all produced and published by IBGE.
>         The government also publishes these data through the more
>         general portal for brazilian spatial data (INDE:
>         http://www.visualizador.inde.gov.br
>         <http://www.visualizador.inde.gov.br><http://www.visualizador.inde.gov.br/
>         <http://www.visualizador.inde.gov.br/>> - Menu: Redes
>         Geodesicas), from where it was dowloaded.
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>         About the licenses for the data: as said in previous exchange
>         of messages of other brazilian OSM member with IBGE officials
>         [1], and as stated by the brazilian national law for access to
>         information (known as "LAI"), all the government data,
>         including IBGE, is free for access, not even requiring to say
>         what for it is intended [2] (the exceptions quoted in the law
>         must not even be published by the government). IBGE officials
>         explicitly stated, as in previous quoted messages, it's free
>         for OSM purposes, for copy, sharing and changes, since quoting
>         the source, and not requiring further back communication.
>
>         The aim of the import: is to have all these points with their
>         precise coordinates provided by the government, placed in OSM
>         brazilian map to help on aligning imagery, fixing borders,
>         found places in remote regions, etc.
>
>         It can be objected: found no survey point in imagery on the
>         ground.
>         That's true. Many things pedestrians have mapped can't be seen
>         on sattelite imagery now, like door numbers, shop names,
>         highway signals, and many other small things, perhaps also
>         fire_hidrants, etc. It usually resides all on local mapper's word.
>         Also imagery resolution is improving constantly, so perhaps
>         not too later we all can see many more things on sattelite
>         imagery.
>         Anyway, the government, through its data itself and its
>         official reports of survey points, states they are there on
>         the ground.
>
>         As a single example: there's a survey point (a small plate)
>         over a boundary_stone in the Brazil-Venezuela-Guyana triple
>         border, reported in [3]. It seems not visible in imagery, nor
>         the boundary_stone. At least I still haven't found it (but I'm
>         looking for). But just seeing this officialy reported point in
>         JOSM (5.2018977222 <tel:2018977222><tel:(201)%20897-7222>,
>         -60.7375541111)[4] indicates this triple border in OSM is
>         currently more than 1km far from that official measurement,
>         thus deserving some revision.
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>         Other general informations:
>         -All the objects proposed to import came previously converted
>         by IBGE in WGS84 format in the original downloaded shape file.
>         -There will be no relation (in OSM peculiar concept for
>         relation) to be stablished between these individual points.
>         -Only are meant to be imported the portion of the stations
>         classified as in good conditions, leaving aside the ones
>         destructed or not found as quoted in the official reports. So
>         the final total number of points to be imported is smaller
>         than in the original shp.
>
>         The proposed tags are these (english translation or meaning
>         below in parenthesis):
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>         description=Rede Geodésica do IBGE - Estação SAT DOPPLER
>             (=IBGE Geodetic Network - <6 types of station, for: SAT
>         DOPPLER; SAT GPS; Polygonal; Triangulation; Elevation
>         Reference; Permanent GNSS>); by these 6 types of description=
>         station...*... the data is aimed to be also accessible for
>         recalling and maintence.
>         ele=* (when geometric height available)
>         man_made=survey_point
>         note:en=Please: do not displace the point (official coordinates)
>         note=Não deslocar o ponto (coordenadas originais do IBGE)
>             (almost the same as note:en, with local exortation tone)
>         ref:loc=São Félix do Xingu
>             (the locality where the point is, perhaps even not mapped
>         itself)
>         ref=90970
>             (the particular and unique name or number of the station)
>         source=IBGE/INDE/BDG_DOPPoint.SHP
>             (the original shape file)
>         sourceːele = IBGE/MAPGEO2015
>             (for Elevation Reference: MAPGEO2015 is the geoid model in
>         Brazil)
>         url=*
>             (to access the complete official report, sometimes it has
>         photos and other info that help a bit more to identify)
>
>         The proposal is documented at:
>         https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Importa%C3%A7%C3%A3o_das_Redes_Geod%C3%A9sicas_do_IBGE
>         <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Importa%C3%A7%C3%A3o_das_Redes_Geod%C3%A9sicas_do_IBGE>
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>         Thank you in advance for your evaluation.
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>         [1]
>         https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/imports/2013-July/001981.html
>         <https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/imports/2013-July/001981.html>
>         https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/imports/2013-July/002031.html
>         <https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/imports/2013-July/002031.html>
>         https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/imports/2013-July/002032.html
>         <https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/imports/2013-July/002032.html>
>         [2]
>         http://www.acessoainformacao.gov.br/assuntos/conheca-seu-direito
>         <http://www.acessoainformacao.gov.br/assuntos/conheca-seu-direito>
>         [3] "Localização: Na parte mais alta do Monte Roraima, em
>         território brasileiro...", says, "Location: In the upper part
>         of Mount Roraima, in brazilian territory..."
>         (http://www.bdg.ibge.gov.br/bdg/pdf/relatorio.asp?L1=90128
>         <http://www.bdg.ibge.gov.br/bdg/pdf/relatorio.asp?L1=90128>)
>         [4] 05 ° 12 ' 06,8318 " N 60 ° 44 ' 15,1948 "W
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