[Talk-GB] Fire Roads (Leeds, Nottingham, etc)

[Andy Robinson]

I think I’ve used “fire_route” to describe these in the past. Or perhaps “fire_access_route”. Well you get the drift. Signage is often put up by the developer (for housing developments - where you often see these) so I doubt there is any common naming convention on the ground.

 

Cheers

Andy

 

From: Paul Berry [mailto:pmberry2007 at gmail.com] 
Sent: 03 February 2017 14:35
To: SK53
Cc: talk-gb
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Fire Roads (Leeds, Nottingham, etc)

 

Thanks again. I'll tag the textured paving as a barrier.

 

Also, in the Leeds example I've given, cycling is not permitted because there is a No Entry sign at each end of the path. This is something that is also picked up on here: http://www.andypreece.co.uk/cycling/fac_leverndale.php

 

Further browsing has revealed Fire Paths are actually fairly common in the Glasgow area: https://www.cyclestreets.net/photomap/tags/firepath

 

You learn something new every day.

 

Regards,

Paul

 

On 3 February 2017 at 13:54, SK53 <sk53.osm at gmail.com> wrote:

I'd think that the rows of raised-textured paving can be mapped as a barrier, with access=emergency too.

I'm glad that the photos I added to the wiki confirm my memory that "fire path" is the word used on the signs. Was wondering where I got it from.

Cheers,

Jerry

 

On 3 February 2017 at 12:20, Paul Berry <pmberry2007 at gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks, Jerry. I thought the Nottingham features would get your attention :)

I'm surprised I missed the Fire Path page on the Wiki, but thanks for the confirmation that fire_path=yes is the way to go.

 

As for the textured paving, I'm not sure anything surface= or traffic_calming= matches it, so I'll not tag it.

 

(Out of interest, this Aberdeen one used to be a Fire Path, but the emergency/access tags have not been updated accordingly: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/124065409)

 

Regards,

Paul

 

 

 

On 3 February 2017 at 11:17, SK53 <sk53.osm at gmail.com> wrote:

Looks like a documented on the wiki: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Fire_Path

 

On 3 February 2017 at 11:15, SK53 <sk53.osm at gmail.com> wrote:

The tag that I have used for such things is fire_path=yes.

There are 4 uses of the tag in Nottingham and 2 in Aberdeen. There are several others not tagged (including the two recent ones you mention), for instance this one <https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/43328389>  where Suez Street joins North Gate outside Port Said Villas (I wonder when these streets were built).

The structures involved may be as illustrated by Paul. The older Nottingham ones tend to have a zone of the wavy block paving which is 10-15ft long and thus not a normal road in any sense. Other fire paths I've seen involve two locked boom gates.

Jerry

 

On 2 February 2017 at 22:20, Paul Berry <pmberry2007 at gmail.com> wrote:

Hi everyone,

 

Fire roads are an uncommon sight in the UK. They're sometimes signed as "fire lanes," but they're nothing to do with the designation in the US (and elsewhere) which is a parking restriction: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:parking:lane and we're also not talking about the wide tracks in managed forests that act as a firebreak.

 

I mean restricted highways like this one: http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/240007969 (whose source links to photo evidence).

 

How do we map these? I assume service=emergency_access?

 

Also, how is the embedded roughly-textured paving in that photo best represented?

 

There are some similar ones in Nottingham, notably at Addington Road and Wimbourne Road there, though they're not mapped as such.

 

Your advice and guidance gratefully received.

 

Regards,

Paul

 

 

 


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