[Talk-GB] Gates open/closed by default

Colin Smale colin.smale at xs4all.nl
Fri Jul 26 11:06:31 UTC 2019


I guess what we are trying to get out of this, is: 

a) as a router, can i feel free to route "Joe Public" through here? 

b) as a router, how much time penalty should i factor in for passing
this gate? 

Anything else?

On 2019-07-26 12:58, Warin wrote:

> To bring a little international perspective to this.
> 
> In outback Australia the convention is "leave the gate as you found it". Unfortunately there are some who don't.
> To cope with this problem some gates are hung so that they close under gravity. 
> To keep these open the farmer locks the gate open. Few people stop and try to close the gate, and are defeated by the lock anyway. 
> 
> So indicating that a gate is locked .. says little as to if it is open or closed to me. 
> 
> I think the 2 conditions need to be separated and not assumed;
> 
> locked = yes/no
> 
> closed = yes/no 
> Not certain how to handle automatic - I think they are mostly automatically closing only, some do both closing and opening and there is the possibility of automatically opening only. Err some may have automatic lock features too... 
> 
> In addition some gates are fastened, but can be manually opened if you figure out the mechanism (some are quite inventive!). A problem I have found is on re-fastening these inventive mechanisms .. can take some time to remember it or reinvent it. Perhaps these should be called 'locked' and the above 'key_locked'??? 
> 
> On 26/07/19 20:26, Gareth L wrote: 
> 
>> This was discussed on the wiki https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:barrier%3Dgate [1] with the suggestion of using a status tag. And was also discussed (9 years ago?!) https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2010-May/thread.html [2] 
>> 
>> Tagging things as access=private does impact routing a lot, so I'd evaluate that use carefully. 
>> 
>> Gareth 
>> 
>> -------------------------
>> 
>> FROM: Andy Robinson <ajrlists at gmail.com>
>> SENT: Friday, July 26, 2019 10:55:37 AM
>> TO: 'Stephen Colebourne' <scolebourne at joda.org>; 'talk-gb OSM List' <talk-gb at openstreetmap.org>
>> SUBJECT: Re: [Talk-GB] Gates open/closed by default 
>> 
>> If a gate opens automatically I would say it's an access=yes regardless of how the way is tagged.
>> 
>> Cheers
>> Andy
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Stephen Colebourne [mailto:scolebourne at joda.org] 
>> Sent: 26 July 2019 10:47
>> To: talk-gb OSM List
>> Subject: [Talk-GB] Gates open/closed by default
>> 
>> I'd like to distinguish between two kinds of gate on private roads:
>> 
>> - those where the gate is closed by default (eg automatic closing)
>> - those where the gate is open by default (the gate exists, but is
>> rarely if ever closed)
>> 
>> Currently I'm marking both as barrier=gate & access=private, but I
>> can't see an obvoius way to mark the open/closed by default aspect.
>> One thought was to use access=permissive on those that are open (with
>> the highway still access=private).
>> 
>> Any suggestions?
>> 
>> Stephen
>> PS, I do want to mark the gate on the map even if it is always open
>> 
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[1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:barrier%3Dgate
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https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2010-May/thread.html
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