[Talk-GB] map styles on osm.org; other sites (was: Re: driveway-becomes-track)

Nick nick at foresters.org
Sun Dec 13 13:37:20 UTC 2020

Totally agree that openstreetmap.org isn't supposed to be a "general 
public" map destination but without knowing user journeys, I assume that 
is where most people land.

Options could be that openstreetmap.org provide alternative links based 
on locality and/or develop robust (N.B. tiles from opencyclemap.org 
seems to have security issue) local solutions that are found by search 
engines (i.e. good search engine optimisation)

On 13/12/2020 12:12, Andy Townsend wrote:
> On 13/12/2020 11:16, Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-GB wrote:
>> Note that someone who wants to show their map style at OSM website can
>> be included, though they must sponsor hosting
>> See 
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Featured_tile_layers/Guidelines_for_new_tile_layers 
>> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Featured_tile_layers/Guidelines_for_new_tile_layers>
>> As far as I know, the main blocker seems to be
>> "Capable of meeting traffic demands. The proposed tile layer 
>> server/server farm
>> must be capable of accepting the traffic volume from the 
>> OpenStreetMap website."
>> ÖPNVKarte is map style that joined recently.
>> Dec 13, 2020, 12:08 by nick at foresters.org:
>>     Seems to me that apart from the tagging, the issue highlighted
>>     here is with how the general public can easily use OSM? Going to
>>     the OSM map, the layers on offer are Standard, Cycle Map (which
>>     does show the driveway connected) etc. but if a user wants a more
>>     specific use this is not easy to find. To my mind this is where
>>     more options from the worldwide map fail to deliver and is a
>>     bigger issue that can be resolved by understanding the 'customer'
>>     journey better?
> The main blocker for a map that shows public footpaths etc. would 
> actually be the "Global scope and coverage" requirement on that page, 
> since public footpaths only exist in England and Wales.
> It used to be possible to easily replace tiles from one of the map 
> styles at osm.org with another one, but since the move to https-only 
> tiles that's now much harder to do.  You can replace (say) 
> https://map.atownsend.org.uk/hot/9/253/166.png with 
> https://tile-a.openstreetmap.fr/hot/9/253/166.png at the hosts file 
> level, but need to click through a "scary browser warning" every few days.
> More generally openstreetmap.org isn't really designed as a "general 
> public" map destination, which is fair enough (it can't do 
> everything).  It's easy to make suggestions like "it should do X as 
> well" - the tricky bit is actually doing it and maintaining it.  I'd 
> definitely prefer a project landing page that's closer to the German 
> one https://openstreetmap.de/ , but I don't have the skills, energy, 
> time or enthusiasm to make that happen.  I particularly like the 
> "showroom" there - a link to lots of different map styles, separate 
> from the main openstreetmap.de map.
> Another example that is surely worth mentioning here is 
> https://cycle.travel - that's designed for a particular use case.  I 
> suspect that most people become aware of OSM by seeing the name at the 
> bottom-right of a completely different site that someone sent them to 
> because it was useful.  Another indication of this is the number of 
> help questions that we see where people are having problems with "the 
> openstreetmap app" or "the site gives an error" (and that site clearly 
> isn't openstreetmap.org).
> Best Regards,
> Andy
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