[Talk-GB] Historic England - tagging guidelines - can we agree on the English usage

[Jez Nicholson]

I'm happy to agree with the heritage:ref seeing as this is a clear, defacto
reference.

Are there any hidden benefits to having separate he/cadw/etc. references
that we would miss out on? Are there any arguments against heritage:ref?

On Fri, 23 Jul 2021, 12:12 Robert Skedgell, <rob at hubris.org.uk> wrote:

> On 22/07/2021 13:56, Mike Baggaley wrote:
> >
> >> I also think that full name should be used for
> heritage:operator=Historic
> >> England
> >
> > I agree - operator is a name type field, and can see no reason why
> heritage:operator should be treated differently.
>
> Agreed. I've used the "he" value documented in the wiki, but would much
> rather have used "Historic England" than a potentially cryptic
> abbreviation.
>
> >
> >> I would like refs to be GB namespaced.... ref:GB:he, ref:GB:hs,
> >> ref:GB:cadw, ref:GB:niea
> >
> > I disagree with both the GB namespace and the use of the abbreviated
> operator name. These make it very difficult to extract data from different
> countries. I suggest heritage:ref is much simpler to use.
>
> I would agree with that. As there is likely to be only one heritage=*
> and one heritage:operator=* tag, one heritage:ref=* tag. If someone
> feels masochistic enough to make a proposal, the unnecessary and
> parochial HE_ref=* should probably be deprecated at the same time.
>
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Mike
> >
> >>
> >> On 21/07/2021 11:51, Tony Shield wrote:
> >>> -------------------------------------------
> >>>
> >>> There is clear conflict between heritage:operator with values of
> >>> Historic England and he.
> >>>
> >>> References are using the tags HE_ref or ref:he with the same value.
> >>>
> >>> Data Integrity suggests using one method of tagging and having the
> >>> documentation clear about which tagging to use.
> >>>
> >>> Can we discuss with a view to agreeing one method - the Global heritage
> >>> style or the UK listed status style?
> >>
> >> My personal opinion, for what it's worth, is that the value of
> >> heritage:operator should be the normal English name, not an
> >> abbreviation. So
> >>
> >> heritage:operator=Historic England
> >> heritage:operator=Cadw
> >> heritage:operator=Historic Environment Scotland
> >> heritage:operator=Northern Ireland Environment Agency
> >>
> >> but the ref tag should follow the global pattern, rather than creating
> >> new tags, and use abbreviations. So, for example:
> >>
> >> ref:he=12345
> >> ref:hs=LB2345
> >> ref:cadw=34567
> >> ref:niea=55643
>
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