[Talk-GB] Green Cabmen's Shelters in London

[Kai Michael Poppe]

 > My brother-in-law is a London cabbie. He says, "Only cab drivers can 
go inside the shelter, but they have a serving hatch for the public to 
get takeaways from, hope that helps."

Yeah, that's what I gathered as well, thanks to your BIL for confirming 
it :)

Would that warrant detatching the amenity=cafe (and whatever) as 
seperate nodes from the buidings, so that the building=shelter can be 
tagged access=private without implying that that's the access for the 
cafe as well?

K

On 07.02.2024 07:29, Jez Nicholson wrote:
> My brother-in-law is a London cabbie. He says, "Only cab drivers can 
> go inside the shelter, but they have a serving hatch for the public to 
> get takeaways from, hope that helps."
>
> On Tue, 6 Feb 2024, 18:59 Kai Michael Poppe, <osm at poppe.dev> wrote:
>
>     I will refrain from using a relation but MY GOSH is that wall of
>     text hard to read. I might take some time to bring some structure
>     into that page. Thanks for pointing that out (even if it wasn't
>     your intention :-))
>
>     K
>
>     On 06.02.2024 12:42, Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-GB wrote:
>>     That sounds like case of
>>     https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relations/Relations_are_not_Categories
>>
>>
>>     Feb 6, 2024, 12:40 by pmberry2007 at gmail.com:
>>
>>         Hi,
>>
>>         Whichever way you end up tagging them, it would be useful to
>>         collect them together under a simple site relation. That way
>>         they can easily be found and you may be able to move general
>>         tagging to the relation level instead of duplicating it at
>>         the member level.
>>
>>         Regards,
>>         /Paul/
>>
>>         On Tue, 6 Feb 2024 at 11:20, Kai Michael Poppe
>>         <osm at poppe.dev> wrote:
>>
>>             Hi all,
>>
>>             by chance I stumbled upon Roblondon's video [1] about the
>>             thirteen
>>             remaining cabmen's shelters in London that all have been
>>             Grade II listed
>>             - some of them are in use as kiosks or cafe, some seem
>>             not to be open
>>             anymore, yet they remain under the supervision of the
>>             Cabmen's Shelter
>>             Fund [2].
>>
>>             Due to highly inconsistent tagging, it wasn't easy to
>>             find them in OSM,
>>             but alas, here they are: [3]
>>
>>             I'd love to make the tagging more consistent, so a few
>>             points I'd like
>>             to discuss:
>>
>>             * If I understand the building-tag correctly (tagging
>>             what the building
>>             was initially designed to be, regardless of it's current
>>             use),
>>             building=shelter should be superior to retail, kiosk, hut
>>             or yes
>>             *shudders* - correct?
>>             * There are 2 cafés that are mapped as nodes on top of
>>             buildings and 3
>>             as amenity=cafe (1 shop=kiosk) on the buildings' way.
>>             Should this be
>>             changed (all seperate nodes or all tagging on the ways)?
>>             * 8 shelters have a wikidata-tag, yet there are more
>>             entries in WD that
>>             refer to these shelters, so I would need to figure the
>>             missing ones out
>>             and add them. As far as I've seen, the NHLE Identifier
>>             seems to exist in
>>             WD as well, linking to the correct entries. Is there any
>>             point in adding
>>             them to OSM as ref:GB:nhle or would that be data
>>             duplication we do not
>>             need? Likewise for listed_status=Grade II and
>>             operator:heritage=Heritage
>>             England?
>>
>>             Thoughts?
>>
>>             K
>>
>>             [1] https://youtu.be/Nsoxj9U71rQ
>>             [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabmen%27s_Shelter_Fund
>>             [3] https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1GYj
>>
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