[Talk-ma] [OKFILTER] Re: mapping caïdats and cercles

Sam 28 Mar 18:07:37 UTC 2015

hi,

If you considering to move to Morocco you are always welcome, I was considering  to go back , but I’m still stuck here in Belguim for years 

I started a few days ago to adjust the new region ,they are reduces from 16 to 12,the mapping is finished and i hope they are ok.

b.t.w: the only resource or reference for caidats and cercles (there are no others on my opinion)that i have for mapping are this:
http://www.pncl.gov.ma/fr/EspaceJuridique/DocLib/D%C3%A9cret%20fixant%20la%20liste%20des%20cercles,des%20ca%C3%AEdats%20et%20des%20communes%20urbaines%20et%20rurales.pdf
and of cource the wikipedia pages in french :
example:http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Province_de_Taourirt under Découpage territorial
best regards

From: John Freed 
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2015 6:39 PM
To: Ali 
Cc: Frédéric Rodrigo ; talk-ma at openstreetmap.org 
Subject: Re: [OKFILTER] Re: [Talk-ma] mapping caïdats and cercles

Thank you, Ali, that is really excellent! Because I am considering moving to Morocco, I will keep a copy. :) 

So I think then that we agree.

Admin_level=5 is for prefectures and provinces (collectively, wilaya) [THIS IS A CHANGE]

Admin_level=6 is for cercles   [THIS IS NEW]

Admin_level=7 is for caidat, districts and pashalik(arrondissements) [THIS IS THE SAME]

Admin_level=8 is for municipalities and rural communes [THIS IS THE SAME]

I will modify the wiki and we can work on changing Admin_level=6 to Admin_level=5.

On Sat, Mar 28, 2015 at 6:34 PM, Ali <ali.zaroili at gmail.com> wrote:

  hi,

  A better axplanation for Moroccan_administrative_division
  http://www.aecid.ma/IMG/pdf_PNUD-GOLD_Maghreb.pdf

  I agreed with this change but only with a  little changes:

  Admin_level=5 is for prefectures and provinces (collectively, wilaya) [THIS IS A CHANGE]

  Admin_level=6 is for cercles   [THIS IS NEW]

  Admin_level=7 is for caidat, districts and pashalik(arrondissements) [THIS IS THE SAME]

  Admin_level=8 is for municipalities and rural communes [THIS IS THE SAME]

  best regards

  From: John Freed 
  Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2015 6:21 PM
  To: Frédéric Rodrigo ; ali zaroili 
  Cc: talk-ma at openstreetmap.org 
  Subject: Re: [OKFILTER] Re: [Talk-ma] mapping caïdats and cercles

  I agree with Frederic that local_authority is probably not the best solution because the caidats really are (always) part of the cercles. I also note that Mali has cercles as Admin_level=6 

  So I would propose:

  Admin_level=5 is for prefectures and provinces (collectively, wilaya) [THIS IS A CHANGE]

  Admin_level=6 is for cercles and pashalik [THIS IS NEW]

  Admin_level=7 is for caidat, districts and arrondissements [THIS IS THE SAME]

  Admin_level=8 is for municipalities and rural communes [THIS IS THE SAME]

  As I said, there are only 75 wilayat, so this is not too hard a change. I would be willing to do it if everyone agrees.

  On Sat, Mar 28, 2015 at 6:01 PM, Frédéric Rodrigo <fred.rodrigo at gmail.com> wrote:

    Le 28/03/2015 17:23, Ali a écrit :

      hi,
      I inserted a time ago Morocco on  that page
      http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Admin_level
      I forgot that page.
      Maybe i change the Admin_level=7  from "caidats" to "cercles" and assing
      the "caidats" to boundary_local_authority would be a good sullution,
      because the "caidats" are under lower level then "cercles".

      boundary_local_authority are mentioned here in the overlay:
      http://layers.openstreetmap.fr/?zoom=11&lat=34.57298&lon=-2.51861&layers=B0000FFFFFFFFFFFFTFFFFFFFFF

    http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:boundary%3Dlocal_authority
    local_authority was introduced in France because admin_level not match the definition. French local_authorities are groups of  admin_level=8, but can be cross any other admin_level. It's not part of the country admin_level scheme.

      administrative layer of Morocco:
      http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ca%C3%AFdat#/media/File:Moroccan_administrative_division.png

    Moving existing admin_level may have sense. 

      best regards

      -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- From: Frédéric Rodrigo
      Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2015 2:44 PM
      To: Ali ; talk-ma at openstreetmap.org
      Subject: Re: [Talk-ma] mapping caïdats and cercles

      Hi,

      Admin_level=7 is already documented as districts/caïdats on the wiki :
      http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Admin_level

      But not used in data :
      http://layers.openstreetmap.fr/?zoom=11&lat=34.57298&lon=-2.51861&layers=B0000FFFFFFFFFFFFTFFFFFFFFF

      admin_level must be used for... admin limit and must be consistent,
      lower levels must be included in upper level. Note, boundaries can be
      other type than adminstrative. I don't know enough the Morocan
      admistrative layers to provide an answer, but only point you ressources.

      Frédéric.

      Le 28/03/2015 14:23, Ali a écrit :

        hi,
        I want to start mapping the caïdats and cercles as seen in
        example:http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Province_de_Taourirt under
        Découpage territorial.
        any idee how to assing the amin levels for these  cercles and caidats?
        explain of caidats is in wikipedia:
        http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ca%C3%AFdat#Le_ca.C3.AFdat_dans_le_d.C3.A9coupage_administratif

        i know the “cercles” are “children” of  a province (parent) and
        “caidats” are “children of “cercles”.
        knowing the province has admin_level=6 and municipalities has
        admin-level=8.
        if i use admin level=7 for “cercles” is it possible to use admin level=9
        for “caidats” or not?
        best regards

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