[Talk-ma] [OKFILTER] Re: noms sur OSM au Maroc

[Johnparis]

I'm not an expert at all in this area, but there is indeed a code "ber" for
the Berber language family:

https://iso639-3.sil.org/code/ber



On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 2:28 AM, Mario Frasca <mariotomo at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Frédéric and Ali and everybody else!
>
> On 08/01/2018 07:00 AM, talk-ma-request at openstreetmap.org wrote:
> > What it the difference between name:zgh and name:ber, in wich case use
> > them ?
> > On the multilingual name, should I reuse name:zgh ? and if not present
> > use name:ber ?
> > When only multilingual name is present and I can extract a part in
> > Tamazight/Berber. Which name tag should I propose for this value
> > name:zgh ? event when name:ber is already present ?
> >
> > Except the zgh is used only in Morocco to define the new standard
> tamazight and the ber is used in entire North-Africa for the tamazight
> language both are writen in tifinagh script,for me i was always against the
> usage of the ber tag we call our language Tamazight no matter if you live
> in Morocco, Algeria, Libya
> > The tag ber is for me deprecated and old insteed why not using the tag
> tzm?
> > It is a debat worth in cooperation with the algerian users
>
> as long as we are only discussing Morocco, I would also suggest using
> `name:zgh` and dropping `name:ber`, at least based on what you can see
> at https://www.ethnologue.com/country/MA/languages: `zgh` is the
> internationally recognized code for Amazighe Standard Marocain.
>
> on the other hand, if you want to include other Berber speaking
> countries, and use the same language code all over the places, you meet
> the problem that only Morocco has introduced something like a "standard"
> Berber language.  if I was from Algeria (main Berber variety: Tachawit,
> vigorous, code `shy`), Tunisia (main Berber variety: Shilha, threatened,
> code `jbn`), Lybia (main Berber variety: Siwi, vigorous, code `siz`), I
> guess I would not want to use a Moroccan standardization, which I guess
> didn't take into account non Moroccan language varieties.  it's twice
> guessing, so maybe I ended in the opposite conclusion…
>
> anyhow, in this second optics, using the non-existing language code
> `ber` does make some sense, even though this is also the strongest
> argument against its usage: `ber` is a non-existent language code.
>
> so I suppose you need to involve the other Berber communities in the
> decision, or be prepared to use `name:zgh` only within Morocco.
>
> Mario
>
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