[Talk-us] Fwd: [OSM-talk] Using 'Kort' outside of Switzerland
peter.davies at crc-corp.com
Sat Jan 18 19:46:44 UTC 2014
Thanks, Paul. I ... err ... think I get your point about the "name in lang"
rather than the "name translated into lang". I guess you're saying that
the "name in lang" has to be in common usage, somewhere, and that the goal
is not to translate all street names multi-lingually?
It turns out that Kort's request for me to specify that "Northwest Naito
Parkway" is in English was caused by a mapper having added its name to OSM
in Japanese. I'm curious as to whether or not you think that this "should"
have been added, as a matter of general policy. Would it depend on (say)
whether or not the street is actually posted in Japanese as well as in
English? Or should another criterion be suggested? (This being Portland,
it's perfectly possible that this street is posted in an unusual language
as well as in English. I can check.)
I also began to become curious about countries that don't use the Latin
alphabet. Should "English" or shall we say Latin alphabet translations be
provided for Japanese street names like 伏見通り(Fushimi-dori), do you think?
On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 5:53 PM, Paul Norman <penorman at mac.com> wrote:
> name:lang tags are for the name in lang, not for the name translated to
> lang. My neighborhood name could be translated into many languages, but
> that doesn’t mean it has anything other than an English name.
> It’s also important to remember that English is not a default in OSM names
> *From:* Peter Davies [mailto:peter.davies at crc-corp.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 16, 2014 3:25 PM
> *To:* Simon Poole
> *Cc:* OSM US Talk
> *Subject:* Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: [OSM-talk] Using 'Kort' outside of
> I tried Kort here in Portland, Oregon. It gave me some interesting things
> to think about. I'd hoped to send them to talk-ch, but it seems I can't
> without subscribing in the longer term. Maybe you can relay this to your
> local colleagues?
> Kort gave me three types of mission. One was to enter the language of some
> street names here in Portland. The second was to enter some speed limits,
> and the third was to name a pub.
> As feedback, and as a suggestion on how the game might need to be modified
> for countries outside Switzerland, I don't think that specifying the
> language of a street sign is useful in essentially monolingual countries.
> In the USA, street signs should always be considered to be in English.
> There is no reason to tag them with any language in OpenStreetMap. English
> is the default.
> There are interesting questions, of course: El Camino Real is a common
> street name in California, and is obviously Spanish, so what is the correct
> English name? Is it "The Royal Road"? No, I don't think so; we would not
> want to translate this to create an American English name. The correct
> name in English is "El Camino Real." The Spanish name has been adopted
> into English usage. Local English speakers would all say "El Camino Real."
> These thoughts lead me to the "Avenue des Champs-Élysées". Should we
> write "Elysian Fields Avenue" in English? No, of course not. Almost
> everyone has heard of the Champs-Élysées, and no-one would dream of writing
> the "Elysian Fields". So should we be translating street names at all
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