[OSM-talk] advertising

Ray Booysen raybooysen at rjb.za.net
Sun Jul 1 18:12:27 BST 2007


On 7/1/07, Nick Black <nickblack1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 7/1/07, Ray Booysen <raybooysen at rjb.za.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> > On 7/1/07, Steve Coast <steve at asklater.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 30 Jun 2007, at 14:25, David Earl wrote:
> > >
> > > At the moment it looks like a fault. But if these things proliferate
> all
> > > over the Europe home page, then what a first time viewer will see is a
> > > map full of adverts, not a map of collaborative effort. I think this
> is
> > > a shame and devalues the project.
> > >
> > >
> > > Look, these things aren't going to proliferate all over Europe or fill
> up
> > the map. That's just gratuitous FUD.
> >
> > How would we know?
>
> Beacuse this is an open project, and the adverts were that terrible
> and taking up the entire screen, you could set up your own, ad-free
> slippy map.
>
> If one year ago I had said that we would have ads on the
> > map I would have been dismissed saying thats just FUD.
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I hear you all about wanting the map to be Free and pure. Really, I
> do. On
> > the other hand I note that only two of you are foundation members.
> >
> > Umm, what?   I don't understand how this plays a part in the
> conversation?
>
> Only Foundation members can vote in elections for officers.  No
> Foundation membership, no vote.  The Foundation officers that were
> available, were consulted about the adverts before they were
> integrated.  If people don't want to join the Foundation and
> participate in its democratic processes, they can't really complain
> when the Foundation makes a descision they disagree with.
>
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > And that we didn't see all this time and effort when we were looking
> for
> > people to help organise the conference. So, instead of talking about
> > deleting all your data or how bad it is, why don't you volunteer to
> organise
> > fundraising? It's really easy to send angry negative emails to the list
> and
> > it's much harder to volunteer and make things happen.
> >
> > It seems its easier to work on and commit geolocated adverts than
> emailing
> > the list and checking on ideas or comments regarding adverts on the map.
> > I've been contributing to the project for just shy of a year and this is
> the
> > first time I've seen what looks like a "dictatorial" use of power in
> OSM.
>
> Strong words.  Please remember that the Foudnation officers were
> elected by the Foundation membership with their own mandate.  They
> don't *have to* and aren't *supposed* to report every decision they
> make to talk.


Fair enough, however I would hope that a decision like that wouldn't be
taken lightly and would involve more than just the foundation officers.



> We all would like to help out but on occasion it is not possible.  Simply
> > placing adverts which you would have to admit is a contentious issue
> without
> > as much as an email before doing so (the email 30 minutes before
> deployment
> > to the foundation members doesn't count) shows very little consideration
> to
> > the other members' feelings on the issue.
> >
> > We seem to vote or converse on all other issues regarding OSM, so why is
> > this any different?  I work on developing maps, spend time creating GPX
> > files, nodes, ways and segments and this somehow means I can't complain
> > because I don't also work in other areas?
> >
> > Its hard to be cynical of OSM when this is the way the system is
> treated.
> >
> > Regards
> > Ray
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > We'd all love your help organising fundraising, especially given all
> the
> > time we've spent organising the conference. Who's going to step up?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > have fun,
> > >
> > >
> > > SteveC | steve at asklater.com | http://www.asklater.com/steve/
> > >
> > >
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> Nick Black
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Ray Booysen
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