[OSM-talk] Import guidelines & OSMF/DWG governance

Christian Quest cquest at openstreetmap.fr
Wed Sep 19 10:22:10 BST 2012


2012/9/19 Frederik Ramm <frederik at remote.org>

> Hi,
>
>
> On 09/19/2012 12:38 AM, Christian Quest wrote:
>
>> For me a mandatory rule on which someone bases a block decision must be
>> something decided publicly and shared with the community, and clearly
>> published/announced... and none of these has taken place here.
>>
>
> Are you saying that we should have had a vote on the wiki, or what? Who
> would have been eligible to vote? And are you at the same time saying that
> changing a policy on the wiki is not "clearly published"?
>
>
We're voting proposed tag scheme. We're discussing them on the wiki and on
tagging@ and these are soft rules.

Are you saying the same process could not be done for requirements (hard
rules) that can lead to blocks when not followed ?

So these hard rules are coming from nowhere ? There's no process to set
them ?


Yes, I'm saying that editing the wiki is not clearly publishing and
ANNOUNCING a major change.
The wiki is enormous, partly translated (Import guidelines are only
available in english and japanese and obviously the japanese translation is
not sync as it has been last edited before this new requirement was added
in the english version).



>  I didn't know about this change until I re-read the wiki page after Marc
>> being blocked. I would not be surprised he was not aware of the now
>> mandatory account that was optional for so long in the guidelines.
>>
>
> I'm pretty sure he wasn't aware of that rule. That's why we made him aware
> of it. Twice.
>


Yes but if we had been in the loop about deciding this new hard rules, we
would have complained at that time and open a discussion BEFORE setting the
rule.

The rule writing/setting process seems flawed to me. I've been involved in
rule writing in international sport competition for 10 years. Changing a
rule or setting new ones is something not to do in the shadow, but in the
light.

Do we have even a list of these "hard rules" somewhere ? By hard rules, I
mean the one that could get a contributor to be blocked or banned.


PS: The other problem is that a lot of people are talking about french
cadastre imports without knowing exactly how it works, how it is done, the
work that's behind, etc. That's why I don't want to go on that part of the
discussion, it is another topic that should be split from the governance
one.

-- 
Christian Quest - OpenStreetMap France -
http://openstreetmap.fr/u/cquest<http://openstreetmap.fr/u/christian-quest>
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