[OSM-talk] Please SWITCH to Mailman 3 & hyperkitty

[ipswichmapper at tutanota.com]

> A bigger problem is that the UI for list owners is horrid.

Ok. What alternative solutions do you propose?-- 

14 Dec 2020, 19:07 by tom at compton.nu:

> That's just the instructions on how to migrate the data
> and it doesn't cover anything related to actually installing
> and configuring all the components of mailman 3 from a
> quick look which is a big issue given that it's not packaged
> and it's a not a single tool like mailman 2 but rather is
> a collection of separate components.
>
> Given that we're already looking at other things there is
> no point in spending several months and many man hours on
> attempting a migration to something that we have to install
> from source and then try and keep up to date without any
> upstream packages.
>
> You're right that the UI tries to be a web forum but from
> personal experience I can say that it fails - it's probably
> a better UI as a simple archiver but it's no use as a way
> of reading lists day to day. The only thing that's ever
> got close to that is Discourse.
>
> A bigger problem is that the UI for list owners is horrid.
>
> Tom
>
> On 14/12/2020 18:58, ipswichmapper at tutanota.com wrote:
>
>> Python's mailing lists use mailman 3:
>>
>> https://www.python.org/community/lists/ <https://www.python.org/community/lists/>
>>
>> What is the problem with the UI ? It seems far, far more useable than pipermail and hyperkitty feels like a forum.
>>
>> If upgrading isn't possible, well then I guess bad luck. The mailman focs doesn't make it look that hard (is it skipping over OSM server specific steps that make the process harder?)
>>
>> https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/migration.html <https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/migration.html>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> IpswichMapper
>> -- 
>>
>>
>>
>> 14 Dec 2020, 18:45 by tom at compton.nu:
>>
>>  It's not going to happen.
>>
>>  Virtually nobody uses mailman 3 with the exception of Fedora
>>  and I know from using it there that the UI is a disaster.
>>
>>  Also it's not packaged for Ubuntu and it's far more complicated to
>>  deploy than what we have.
>>
>>  Don't think of mailman 3 as an upgrade - it's basically a
>>  totally different product.
>>
>>  There is talk of a change, but it won't be to mailman 3.
>>
>>  Tom
>>
>>  On 14/12/2020 18:42, ipswichmapper at tutanota.com wrote:
>>
>>  Okay thanks, I'll contact him on github. I don't havd mailman
>>  administration experience, or that much coding experience for
>>  that matter. I was just suprised that we are stuck with 10+
>>  years old cluttered pipermail when hyperkitty is actually useable.
>>
>>  -- 
>>
>>
>>  14 Dec 2020, 18:37 by jm at liotier.org:
>>
>>  From looking at the Mailman Chef cookbook at
>>  https://github.com/openstreetmap/chef/tree/master/cookbooks/mailman
>>  <https://github.com/openstreetmap/chef/tree/master/cookbooks/mailman>,
>>  Tom Hughes is the person you should ask. If you have mailman
>>  administration experience, maybe you could make it happen.
>>
>>
>>  On 12/14/20 7:18 PM, ipswichmapper--- via talk wrote:
>>
>>
>>  I was wondering if all the lists on
>>  https://lists.openstreetmap.org
>>  <https://lists.openstreetmap.org>
>>  could be switched to Mailman 3 and hyperkitty (the newest
>>  archiver).
>>
>>  Currently, pipermail is used to archive, and its UI is
>>  *unusable*.
>>  Comparatevely, hyperkitty is a lot more like a forum.
>>
>>  From my experience, the mailing lists are *far more active*
>>  than
>>  the forum, so it would be good to have it searchable & more
>>  accessible (the only downside to this is newer users might
>>  use the
>>  mailing list now. I don't think this is a downside, but I
>>  understand why others would think so).
>>
>>  Also, Mailman 3 still gets updates, while *mailman2 is on
>>  maintainance mode and won't recieve feature updates.*
>>
>>  I strongly recommend that the mailing lists are upgraded to
>>  mailman3 with hyperkitty: this will make the mailing lists
>>  so, so
>>  much more useable.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  --     Tom Hughes (tom at compton.nu)
>>  http://compton.nu/
>>
>
>
> -- 
> Tom Hughes (tom at compton.nu)
> http://compton.nu/
>

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