[OSM-talk] Should OSMF adopt a policy about State of the Map conference in places that are LGBTQ*/etc unsafe?

[Casper Kersten]

Dear Amanda and other OSM friends,

Could we ask a human rights organisation to help us to determine such
guidelines? I'm thinking about Amnesty International. This is their field
of expertise, after all.

Kind regards

Casper

Op do 7 okt. 2021 om 22:55 schreef Casper Kersten <casperkersten1 at gmail.com
>:

> Hi John. I accidentally sent my previous message to you privately instead
> of to the whole mailing list. Since you seem to like ignoring people so
> much, I don't expect it to be much of a problem to you.
>
> Enjoy your evening.
>
> Casper (OSM user Friendly_Ghost)
>
> Op do 7 okt. 2021 om 22:33 schreef john whelan <jwhelan0112 at gmail.com>:
>
>> Thank you for your permission to ignore your email.  I have shared it
>> with the mailing list in case anyone else might wish to ignore you as well.
>>
>> Many thanks
>>
>> Cheerio John
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 7, 2021, 16:18 Amanda McCann <amanda.mccann at osmfoundation.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Oh sorry. I was trying to be nice, and well, friendly.
>>>
>>> Yes, you can ignore my email, or any email, if it's not relevant to your
>>> interests. 🙂
>>>
>>> On Thu, 07 Oct 2021 22:12 +02:00, john whelan <jwhelan0112 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> > I'm really not happy with someone addressing me as friend without even
>>> > knowing them, or can I just ignore the message if I don't consider
>>> > myself your friend?
>>> >
>>> > Sometimes I just want to map rather than do the socialise thing.
>>> >
>>> > Thanks John
>>> >
>>> > On Thu, Oct 7, 2021, 3:31 PM Amanda McCann
>>> > <amanda.mccann at osmfoundation.org> wrote:
>>> >> Hello OSM friends,
>>> >>
>>> >> So here's an idea... I've previously complained when an organisation
>>> holds an event in a place where it's “illegal to be gay” and claim that the
>>> event is a “safe space”. Since I'm on the OSMF Board, I would be wrong for
>>> me to continue to complain about other organisations and not try to suggest
>>> such a policy for the OSMF.
>>> >>
>>> >> The OSMF grants a trademark licence (for the “State of the Map”
>>> trademark which the OSMF legally owns) to regional event conferences, and
>>> legally, the OSMF runs the annual State of the Map conference.
>>> >>
>>> >> There are several different wordings of this policy possible. My
>>> initial idea of a policy is: “you can't have a SotM for [REGION] in a venue
>>> if same-sex sexual activity is illegal (& that's being enforced) there,
>>> *and* there is a place in [REGION] where that is legal (or illegal & not
>>> enforced)”. This covers bi/pan/queer/etc people.
>>> >>
>>> >> I can't easily think of a simple rule for trans/gender identity
>>> issues that's as clear cut for the very basic level (e.g. many countries
>>> have required gender segregated toilets for a long time and the laws
>>> requiring ”birth sex” are new and uncommon, legal gender recognition might
>>> not be so relevant for a visitor, etc) so I'll stick to this for now. I am
>>> OK with “State of the Map [COUNTRY]” happening in a country where it's
>>> illegal everywhere. My goal is to prevent anyone having a *legal downgrade*
>>> with “State of the Map”.
>>> >>
>>> >> Many in OSM have spent a long time improving things for minoritized
>>> groups, and maybe this is just another step in that process. I am only
>>> mentioning “illegal to be gay” because it's a simple, clear standard. I
>>> think it could be benefitial to include other standards too (e.g. I believe
>>> some countries forbid women from driving). I am focussing on LGBTQ+ issues
>>> because that affects me personally, and I know a lot about it. I encourage
>>> other minoritized people to speak up if they want.
>>> >>
>>> >> So what do yous, the wider OSM(F) community think about the OSMF
>>> adopting this policy (or something like it, or not adopting anything new
>>> policy)?
>>> >>
>>> >> --
>>> >> (P.S.: I recently changed my name and forgot to subscribe to talk@
>>> with this email address)
>>> >>
>>> >> A. McCann
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